jillybean Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=a&n=sha932dqt98542cj7&s=saj97542htdk6ca93]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1♥ 3♦ 3♥ 4♠ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 There is no reason to believe that 4H is a maker or that there is a spade fit or that 4S makes even with a fit. South gets all the blame - and shot at sunrise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Mostly south. The south hand has adequate defense and reason to suspect that 4♥ won't make so 4♠ is an overbid and got justly punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 North has a normal preempt. ♥Axxx in their suit isn't enough of a reason to pass. 4♠ is wacky. Lots of defense against 4♥, a broken suit, and a partner who probably doesn't have too many spades. South gets the charge here and I can't think of any reason why South doesn't get all the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 South 100%. I'd play 3♠ as forcing there but 4♠ is too much either way. I wouldn't crucify South though as the previous commenters have suggested. The preempt makes people guess and this time it made partner guess. 4♠ could make but it's just not the percentage course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 crucifixion works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 North certainly didn't do anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 North certainly didn't do anything wrong. Well that is debatable as they did sit down at the table :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Mostly South. North shouldn't have preempted with 4♥'s and such an ugly diamond suit, but this is no reason to believe North has 2 or more spades (North might as well be 0364). South could also have saved some by bidding 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 As Phil already stated, North has a normal pre empt. 4H is no reason not to pre empt. South gets 100% of the blame. Whu should their be a S fit on this hand, and even if there is, why should 4S make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 4♠ is very unilateral. South is right to the extent that because of the ♦ fit, there could easily be a game in ♠ on. The trouble is, he doesn't yet know if there is a ♠ fit or not! A 3♠ bid is surely enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 All South. 4S is unlikely to make and South cannot know if 4H (if they even bid it) is making. I would go further, he has reason to believe it is not making. After the adventure into 4S, South could have converted to 5D because when the opponents doubled 4S, it is certain we are doomed in 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 4♠ put the pressure at the wrong moment, this bid might work sometimes, but here it didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 South 100% for reasons already stated by many: 4♠ is ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I'm expressing an opinion here. Please feel free to correct me... I think most of you are unduly harsh on South. I'd blame South as well, but nowhere like 100% The result may have been engineered by East who raised to 3H with a 3-card support. Most people raise with 4; and South expects partner with ?36? (good diamond suit) or ?37? (any diamond suit). And in both cases, if partner produces 2-card support in spades or even a singleton Q, 4S could jam opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Phew, Im North here but did feel like rescuing partner after 4♠X Sitting south would anyone support ♦'s after the opps 3♥'s? [hv=d=w&v=a&n=sha932dqt98542cj7&s=saj97542htdk6ca93]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1♥ 3♦ 3♥ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 No. It is usually a good idea to assume partner has Hx when you preempt. Well this sentence did not make much sense, so I'll say it like this: if partner preempted and you have Hx, assume partner knows about it (and start supporting only with Hxx or so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 No. It is usually a good idea to assume partner has Hx when you preempt. Well this sentence did not make much sense, so I'll say it like this: if partner preempted and you have Hx, assume partner knows about it (and start supporting only with Hxx or so). 3 of partners suit would be nice but this hand does have 2 Aces, Kx and shapeand 9 card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 You're too weak for game if partner has few spades and you'd like to play spades if partner has many spades. So I don't think choosing diamonds is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 IMO the options are Pass and 3♠. While I think 4♥ is probably going down at IMPs I pass as a form of insurance against it making. At MP I definitely bid 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Phew, Im North here but did feel like rescuing partner after 4♠X Sitting south would anyone support ♦'s after the opps 3♥'s? Please don't even dream of rescuing partner here ! There is no reason to think 5♦ will play better than 4♠x. I wouldn't raise to 4♦ here without another trump. And if I did, I'd like to be reasonably certain of what to do when the opps carry on to 4♥. To me, the 4♠ bid is not as bad as many here think. PD is allowed to have a card or two of support and your K♦ could be really useful. Still the 4♠ bid needs to catch PD with just the right hand to make and there will be times that the opps (who often carry onto to 4♥ on momentum) can't make it. South's 4♠ bid could work out great if it makes, or if it is -1 when 4♥ is cold, or if the opps don't double it when 4♥ makes and 4♠ doesn't (not terribly likely, but we've seen it before). I blame South here, but it isn't a terrible crime, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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