OleBerg Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sj5h54dk1053c98753&s=sak10862hj107djckj6]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Pass - (1♣) - 1♠ - (X)Pass - (2♥) - 2♠ - (X)Pass - (Pass) - Pass First double was high-low. (Either a normal negative double, or a forcing hand.)Second double was penalty. The lead is the ♥3, fourth best, to the King.East takes the ♣A and returns the ♣10. Do you use the King or the Jack?Is it obvious?What are your considerations? I would appreciate many replies, even if they are redundant. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would definetly play the jack. East couldn't have more than one small card in ♠, but he can't have 5♦4♥3♣1♠ One might ask why west didn't lead his singleton ♣. I think that he just unsuccessfuly tried to force trumps. However i would also check what opponents open with 4♣4♦41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would appreciate many replies, even if they are redundant. card play problems hardly get many responses. I think the Jack is obvious, playing the King would only be good if East made a mistake already, kind of restricted choice, East could lead low from A10x but not from AQ10. Also I expect the jack to get ruffed. AQ10x or AQ10 is always more than A10x. The king might be an option if East didn't open 1♣, to avoid a ruff from him, but as it is the jack is the only correct card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cRi cRi Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yes, I play the jack as well. Maybe the good card is low but I have to try the jack :) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Did you ask the opponents if 1♣ was 2+ and 1♦ would guarantee 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would definetly play the jack. East couldn't have more than one small card in ♠, but he can't have 5♦4♥3♣1♠ One might ask why west didn't lead his singleton ♣. I think that he just unsuccessfuly tried to force trumps. However i would also check what opponents open with 4♣4♦41 We need to know more about the EW bidding agreements. It might be difficult for E to hold 4♦ as he did not open 1♦ which would give him x 4 3 y and W x 4 5 y. Now if EW open 1♣ then even 3433 is possible leaving W with xx Qxxx AQxxx Qx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Opps. system: 5-card major.15-17 NT.4-4 in the minors is opened 1♣.3-3 in the minors is opened 1♣.What is done with 4-4-3-2 is not known. (If this matters, I would highly appreciate two answers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 What is done with 4-4-3-2 is not known. (If this matters, I would highly appreciate two answers.) I'd say it would be illogical to consider 4-4-3-2 with East. This would imply West has approx ♠x ♥Qxxx ♦AQxxx ♣Qxx and has doubled for penalty at IMPs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 What is done with 4-4-3-2 is not known. (If this matters, I would highly appreciate two answers.) I'd say it would be illogical to consider 4-4-3-2 with East. This would imply West has approx ♠x ♥Qxxx ♦AQxxx ♣Qxx and has doubled for penalty at IMPs ?Sure. ;) (Just mentioned system without thinking.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 It looks like East is 1=4=4=4 for the penalty double to be at all reasonable. Therefore the jack is obvious. I can't imagine a sensible penalty double without at least four trumps. And I presume West must have followed to the first club otherwise you would have made mention of this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Unless one of the opponents has done something weird, West is almost exactly Q9xx Qxxx AQxx x. So the Jack should hold it to -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 If you are curious: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=33265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 If you are curious: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=33265 Why players fail to use the words "No agreements" as an acceptable response to questions about the meaning of the second double is beyond me. I certainly would have expected it to be a DSIP double. With that thought in mind the failure to opening lead a ♣, East's bad ♣ play, and failure to switch to a trump to prevent a ♥ ruff in dummy suggest more evenly divided ♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 What is a DSIP double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 What is a DSIP double? "Double-Secondtime-Isn't-Penalty". I don't even believe it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Do Something Intelligent Partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Otherwise known as a blame-shifting double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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