zheddh Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) (p) - 1♥ - (p) - ? Do you prefer a 1S now or a 2D? Please give your reasons and subsequent plan. [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakqt2hkxxdkqxxxc]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] TIA Edited July 30, 2009 by zheddh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1S, systemic, and my plan is following the system, untilI reach a point I need to make a decision.And it helps, that the bid gives p the maximal room, becauseI will have the most information av., if I am forced to guess. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cRi cRi Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1S, systemic, and my plan is following the system, untilI reach a point I need to make a decision.And it helps, that the bid gives p the maximal room, becauseI will have the most information av., if I am forced to guess. With kind regardsMarlowe +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 nonexpert response: 2d why? i hope this makes the auction easier...... btw I play 2s or 3c over 2d does not promise extras....2h rebid shows 6 so: 1h=2d2nt(11_13)=3h=natural and slam try.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1S. Will not mastermind with 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1S. Will not mastermind with 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 agree with the above agree with the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♦. Somewhat close for me, actually. Because I am so strong, I want to set GF. Partner's next call could be 2♠, in which case I could change trumps focus. Normally, he bids something where O next bid 3♥ to set trumps. I can then bid 5♣ exclusion because I am that strong. Were the hand slightly weaker, this is not as appealing. Were my two suits clubs and spades, 2♣ would be wildly more attractive and almost obvious even with a bare GF, because the chance of a rebid of 2♦ in my void suit would be so high, and setting trumps at the two-level in a GF auction is so powerful (for me at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm surprised you don't respond 2♣ on this hand Ken :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early 2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized. A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago... This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early 2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized. A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago... This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time How do you figure no fit partner opened 1♥. We are slam bound unless controls prove inadequate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early 2♠ might expose a secret, but I don't think its one you want widely publicized. A strong jump shift with a two suited hand and no fit for partner is an abomination. I thought that this bidding style had been consigned to the waste heap of history long long long ago... This is the easiest 1♠ response that I've seen in a very long time How do you figure no fit partner opened 1♥. We are slam bound unless controls prove inadequate Sorry Completely my bad.I had the round suits reversed (I thought that the hand had a heart void and Kxx in Clubs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1S. Will not mastermind with 2D.This deserved to be said twice. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I know people hate strong responding hands that start 1H 1S, because they can get nasty, but don't think distorting the distribution with 2D is going to help. Sure, it creates the game force that you want, but this is a hand where getting information as to size and shape from partner is the key. 2/1 players who know their tools are OK after the 1S response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early Agree with this. Playing with the GIBs has re-introduced me to the joys of SJS. I get to follow-up with 3 or 4♣ to show spades, heart support and club shortness and I like this approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early Agree with this. Playing with the GIBs has re-introduced me to the joys of SJS. I get to follow-up with 3 or 4♣ to show spades, heart support and club shortness and I like this approach. Why would any of these auctions 1♥ 2♠2NT 3♣ or 1♥ 2♠3any 4♣ show shortage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Why would any of these auctions 1♥ 2♠2NT 3♣ or 1♥ 2♠3any 4♣ show shortage? Because that's the way GIB plays it? And I think its part of Soloway JS's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I know people hate strong responding hands that start 1H 1S, because they can get nasty, but don't think distorting the distribution with 2D is going to help. Sure, it creates the game force that you want, but this is a hand where getting information as to size and shape from partner is the key. 2/1 players who know their tools are OK after the 1S response. Huh? First of all, partner can tell us a lot about size and shape. In response to 2♦, he might rebid hearts, he might rebid spades, he might rebid 3♣. He might do a lot of things. Then, after we raise hearts, he might show us shortness in spades. Or, he might tell us whether he has serious or non-serious interest. All that said, how can you think that partner's shape and strength is key to this hand? We have the void, the 5-5 pattern, and undoubtedly the strongest HCP hand of the two of us. Partner's shape is probably completely irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Seems a clear 1♠. I believe in the school that bids 2♣ with a balanced game forcing hand with 4♠'s, but certainly not with 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1♠ for me, keeping it simple. Can't see how this can be nasty, after all I've got support for hearts... Even playing SJSs (I don't), I'd not do it here. Never with a second suit which could be our best trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 1♠ for me, keeping it simple. Can't see how this can be nasty, after all I've got support for hearts... Even playing SJSs (I don't), I'd not do it here. Never with a second suit which could be our best trump. Here's how it gets nasty: 1♥-P-1♠-P-2♣-P-2♦(GF -- note that diamonhds not shown)3♣-P-3♥-P-4♥-P-??? Is 5♣ here Exsclusion? Or, 1♥-P-1♠-P-2♣-P-2♦-P-3NT-P-??? In other words, focusing hearts later may be complicated, and focusing hearts while enabling Exclusion might be radically difficult. Compare this with an auction where spade re-focus is possible: 1♥-P-2♦-P-2♠-P-3♠ Amazingly easy. I hate to say this for fear of wild laughter, but easy sometimes is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Not that you might not run into trouble later, but it seems exceedingly simple to play: 1♥ - 1♠;2♣ - 3♦ = 5-5 GF Of course it's going to be difficult to show your entire hand, but it's not to say that it cannot be done. You might also argue that some people play 3♦ as INV. So be it. But every system you design is going to have some difficult hands to bid. Obviously if you give me an uncontested auction every time, put me down for relay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (p) - 1♥ - (p) - ? Do you prefer a 1S now or a 2D? Please give your reasons and subsequent plan. [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakqt2hkxxdkqxxxc]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] TIA 2♦ is absurd, anti system, and anti partnership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 2♠ a SJS, let partner in on the secret early Agree with this. Playing with the GIBs has re-introduced me to the joys of SJS. I get to follow-up with 3 or 4♣ to show spades, heart support and club shortness and I like this approach. Why would any of these auctions 1♥ 2♠2NT 3♣ or 1♥ 2♠3any 4♣ show shortage? Playing Soloway jump-shifts (reasonably common in N.A. among pairs that plays strong jump-shifts), the jump-shift shows one of three hands: A balanced monster, a one-suiter, and a two-suiter than includes support for partner. Most glaringly missing - no independent two-suiters. Since responder can't have a two-suiter comprised of spades & clubs, the rebid, by agreement, instead shows shortness (and by implication shows the two-suiter than includes support). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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