How to bid these hands

[Alexcl]

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sxhk8xxxdaxxxxcxx&s=skq9xxxxhdkjxxckj]133|200|Scoring: MP

Opps from passland.[/hv]

Playing a fairly simple 2/1.

[cRi cRi]

I would bid : 1S-1NT - 2D - 4D - 4S - 5D.

[cRi cRi]

Maybe 3D is better than 4D actually ... but I am junior :)

[vuroth]

1♠ 1NT

2♠ P

 

Alternative, I guess, being

1♠ 1NT

2♦ 3♦

P

[P_Marlowe]

1S (1) - 1NT (2)

2S (3) - All Pass

 

(1) systemic, but you could argue to open this

hand with 4S

(2) forcing

(3) 2D is certainly a option, but one has

a 7 card suit, and usually it is better to

play the 7-? fit than a possible 4-4 fit

I doubt I would think about 3S for more

than a secod.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[nick_s]

For me: 1♠ - 1NT - 4♠

 

I don't see how to find out if pard has working cards or not. I don't want to get left in 2♦. This may even turn out to be a good save against 4♥.

[pooltuna]

1♠ [p] 1NT [p]

2♠ [p] P [p]

[Free]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I really dislike 2♠ and 2♦ rebids.

[Cascade]

How about

 

4♠ all out.

 

After 1♠ a 2♠ rebid seems inadequate but a higher rebid seems like a stretch with an ace-less hand just based on the 7th spade.

[Phil]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I really dislike 2♠ and 2♦ rebids.

Agree. Suggesting diamonds as trump is pretty awful.

 

I don't hate a 2♠ rebid, but I think its pretty chicken. The hand is all wrong for 3♠, and its wrong for a 4♠ opening.

[Echognome]

For me it's flawed for several actions, so I rate it:

 

1♠ then 4♠ 9

Open 4♠ 8

1♠ then 3♠ 6

1♠ then 2♦ 5

1♠ then 2♠ 3

1♠ then 3♦ 1

[jillybean]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

[Cascade]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

[jillybean]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

AKQJxx

void

AKQx

xxx

 

1♠:1N

3♦

 

Ok 1♠ 1N 4♠ could be too much

[nigel_k]

Opening 4♠ wouldn't be an option for me given some of the hands I preempt with. It's just too good.

 

I would bid 1♠-1NT-3♠ then it's a guess for responder whether to bid the fourth. But I don't know much about 2/1 so if there is any difference in the spade rebids compared to after a limited 1NT response, I'd appreciate if someone can comment on that.

[the hog]

I would open 4S. I really dislike a 1S-2D continuation. With 7S!!!! Really?

[kgr]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

I thought it was 'standard' that 1♠-1NT-4♠ is showing long ♠ and 11-14 pts?

[P_Marlowe]

Personally I either try to invlove partner in the decision process

to play 4S, or I decide not to do so, and this decision I make with

my opening bid, this means either I open 4S direct, or I open 1S

followed by rebidding 2S.

 

Opening 1S, followed by 4S is just changing horses in the middle

of the race.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Free]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

Gazzilli :)

 

1M-1NT-4M is a minimum opener with long M, I think this is standard. Otherwise just jump in a new suit and get back to 4M, or open 2♣.

[the hog]

I doubt you mean this Frederick; there are many 7 carders which you would not bid game on after a 1NT response.

xx

KJxxxxx

Ax

KJ

[Cascade]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

I thought it was 'standard' that 1♠-1NT-4♠ is showing long ♠ and 11-14 pts?

So again I ask, what do you do with real game values?

[mich-b]

1M-1NT-4M is a minimum opener with long M, I think this is standard.  Otherwise just jump in a new suit and get back to 4M, or open 2♣.

I don't think this is standard , and I dont think this is sensible.

If you decide to bid 3♠ , and partner doesnt raise, do you think you will make 10 tricks?

And if not, why rebid 4♠? to get a minus score? or preempt against opps who both already passed, and don't seem keen on getting into the auction?

 

I would suggest that a very minimum with 7♠ rebids 2♠ , and slightly better hands (14 hcp, or otherwise good) rebid 3♠.

1♠ - 1NT - 4♠ , for me shows a "3♠ rebid hand" with a 7th ♠.

[kgr]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

I thought it was 'standard' that 1♠-1NT-4♠ is showing long ♠ and 11-14 pts?

So again I ask, what do you do with real game values?

In my system I would bid a forcing 2♣ over 1NT.

In standard I would jump to force the bidding and rebid ♠ later (Or jump to 4-level in a singleton).

With a 7- or 8-card ♠ and strong, I probably would have bid in my system either of:

- 4D: namyats

- 2D-2H-3S: Semi-forcing with S

- 3D-3H-3S: GF with S

 

With a real good hand you open 2C in standard. I don't know what you should rebid.

What is 2C-2D-3S; 2C-2D-4S?

 

1S-1NT-4S I would expect an 8-card S and 11-14 pts, but a 7-card is also paossible.

[Cascade]

I know I asked what would you do but I really wanted to know what was standard in context.

 

1♠ 1NT

2♣ ARTIFICIAL is not standard

 

I would have thought most beginners were taught

 

1♠ 1NT

...

2♠ is around 11-15

 

3♠ is around 16-18

 

4♠ is around 19-20

 

All with six spades.

 

Obviously those numbers are adjusted a little if you have extra spades (or other distribution or texture).

 

The standard SAYC notes say this:

 

"With a maximum hand (19-21 or 22 points) opener must make a very strong rebid:

Jump in notrump;

Double jump raise in responder's suit or double jump rebid of opener's suit;

Jump shift in a new suit."

 

so that a double jump rebid shows a very strong hand.

[Echognome]

1♠-1NT-4♠

 

I like this

I hate it.

 

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

I thought it was 'standard' that 1♠-1NT-4♠ is showing long ♠ and 11-14 pts?

So again I ask, what do you do with real game values?

Wayne,

 

You have 2NT and 3NT rebids as well as jump shifts to minors, which *gasp* will sometimes be short if no other convenient bid is available.

 

Suppose you hold:

 

♠ AQJxxx

♥ Axx

♦ x

♣ AKx

 

And the bidding goes 1♠ - 1NT; ?

 

I would happily rebid 3♣. You may dislike the style, but I think it's pretty common in a lot of places (even if it's not popular where you play).