bid

[jillybean]

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 43 ♥ K ♦ AQJT93 ♣ AT83

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♦

 Pass  1♠    Pass  2♦

 Pass  2♥    Pass  ?

[TimG]

I would venture a preference to 2♠.

[zheddh]

2S, wtp?

[Jlall]

2N seems obvious. 3C should show a hand too good to bid 3D, and 3D should be the worst. Why are we preferencing to spades with a double club stopper and a great diamond suit and 2 little spades?

[aguahombre]

i think 2S is running scared. 2H was forcing, though not to game, so 2NT seems just right.

[nigel_k]

2S, wtp?

My first choice is 2NT. Second 3NT, third 3C, fourth 3D. 2S last.

[Phil]

2N. I assume this is forcing.

[mike777]

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 43 ♥ K ♦ AQJT93 ♣ AT83

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♦

 Pass  1♠    Pass  2♦

 Pass  2♥    Pass  ?

3nt...forcing to game.

[quiddity]

2N seems obvious. 3C should show a hand too good to bid 3D, and 3D should be the worst. Why are we preferencing to spades with a double club stopper and a great diamond suit and 2 little spades?

Do you play 2H here as completely natural, or could it be a checkback for spades? If it could be artificial, does partner have to do something special over 2N to ask if you have a real stopper?

[Mbodell]

I like 2nt. All misfits belong in nt. :)

[aguahombre]

I like 2nt.  All misfits belong in nt.  :angry:

I resemble that remark. :)

[the hog]

I might have bid 2C on the previous round. I will bid 2NT now. Really the C T is an excellent card here.

[kgr]

2N. I assume this is forcing.

2N. I assume it is not forcing.

[jillybean]

So we have a misfit in both the hand and the agreements. :)

[Hanoi5]

3♣, though I probably should have bid clubs before.

[jillybean]

I might have bid 2C on the previous round. I will bid 2NT now. Really the C T is an excellent card here.

Which is weaker 2♣ or 2♦?

[skjaeran]

I might have bid 2C on the previous round. I will bid 2NT now. Really the C T is an excellent card here.

Which is weaker 2♣ or 2♦?

None of them.

[aguahombre]

I might have bid 2C on the previous round. I will bid 2NT now. Really the C T is an excellent card here.

Which is weaker 2♣ or 2♦?

2D is weaker if you have this pattern. The reason is that 2C might have to be followed up by 3D later. It is similar to:

1S 1NT

2s ?

3H being weaker than:

 

1S 1NT

2H ?

3S If you anticipate your next bid having to take up more room, your hand must have the extra strength to handle it.

[P_Marlowe]

I might have bid 2C on the previous round. I will bid 2NT now. Really the C T is an excellent card here.

Which is weaker 2♣ or 2♦?

Neither, but 2D basically denies 4 clubs.

 

The adv. of 2C is, that you show 9 cards, lets ignore the 1444 hand

with a spade singleton, in contrast to 2D, which just showes 5 cards.

2D would be ok, if it would show a good 6 carder, but it does not.

 

So bidding 2C instead of 2D is clear cut.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: What to nid now? It is first a question, what 2H means, is it natural

or is it 3rd suit forcing.

If it is 3rd suit forcing 2NT is out, because 2NT show a heart stopper,

if it is natural, than 2NT is fine.

[jillybean]

My 2♦ shows 6, I don't rebid 5card minors

[P_Marlowe]

My 2♦ shows 6

Ok, and what do you bid with 1 spade, 4 hearts, 5 diamonds and 3 clubs,

and a hand to weak to make a reverse?

[jillybean]

My 2♦ shows 6

Ok, and what do you bid with 1 spade, 4 hearts, 5 diamonds and 3 clubs,

and a hand to weak to make a reverse?

1nt

[aguahombre]

My 2♦ shows 6

Ok, and what do you bid with 1 spade, 4 hearts, 5 diamonds and 3 clubs,

and a hand to weak to make a reverse?

1nt

1NT with a singleton is not usually a good idea for a rebid. This would be an exception to 2D showing six, or--some people use 2C here as an agreed system bid, or just as a noise to get out of the problem and create a different problem.

[P_Marlowe]

My 2♦ shows 6

Ok, and what do you bid with 1 spade, 4 hearts, 5 diamonds and 3 clubs,

and a hand to weak to make a reverse?

1nt

Hi,

 

1NT is sometimes a good alternative option, if your 5 card suit is bad,

and your honors are in the side suits.

But unless you always reverse with 15HCP onwards, you run the risk

of telling two lies, one about the shape of your hand, the other about

your general strength.

One reason, it is dangerous to mislead partner about your shape is,

that methods like NMF / two way checkback dont work to well, if you

too often deviate from the standard shape requirement.

 

I would suggest, that you think over this decision another time.

 

Nevertheless I believe the style should be playable, also he is certainly

non standard.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[mikeh]

Lots of stuff here.

 

1. 1♦ then 2♣ then 3♦ traditionally (and for me, still) shows a 6=4 with extra values... this hand is close... were it the Kx spades and x in heart, it would be clear

 

2.Whether one rebids 2♦ with say 1=4=5=3 normal opening is partly a matter of style. Even if one is used, by system, to rebidding 1N with this pattern, surely there are hand types on which 2♦ is preferable. And for those of us who prefer 1N to deliver xx or better for partner (so he can pull to 2♠ safely, amongst other reasons) sometimes we mark time with 2♣ on a 3 card suit.

 

3. Having chosen, reasonably enough, to rebid 2♦, 2♠ is abominable imo. 3♣ seems misdirected... it is not impossible that clubs is our fit, but if it is we may still get there after 2N... altho we can no longer play 3♣. Not a big loss in the grand scheme of things. 2N seems logical to me.

 

4. Is 2N forcing? I don't see how it can or should be, unless we are playing 2♥ as (in essence) game force. Partner with say 5=4=1=3 10 count... just what the heck did we expect him to bid? last round or next? BTW, any bid by him now should, imo, be gf.