Enough for 1S?

[kgr]

[hv=d=e&v=b&s=saxxxxhxxdxxckxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

East opens 1♣. What do you call at MP's?

[helene_t]

1♠ OK for me at MPs.

[Echognome]

If the x's are all small, then no. I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling. Give me AT9xx and I would. AT8xx probably.

 

I'm also not a fan of 5422's. Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.

[TimG]

I pass. See this thread.

[655321]

I would bid 1♠.

[Phil]

If the x's are all small, then no.  I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling.  Give me AT9xx and I would.  AT8xx probably. 

 

I'm also not a fan of 5422's.  Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.

Agree with Gnome. I love overcalling but this suit has more s_it than suit.

[jillybean]

If the x's are all small, then no.  I like to either have a good hand or a good suit when overcalling.  Give me AT9xx and I would.  AT8xx probably. 

 

I'm also not a fan of 5422's.  Give me AT8xx x xxx Kxxx and I would as well.

Agree with Gnome. I love overcalling but this suit has is more s_it than suit.

Well said.

[aguahombre]

of course 1s is an ugly overcall....and of course some people will overcall, but not on a forum....too embarrassing. (edit)...before anyone jumps, I really mean I might do it at the table, if I felt froggy --but would not admit it here.

[fromageGB]

Nowhere near a bid. I might in 3rd seat, though.

[kenrexford]

nope

[andy_h]

Guilty.

[quiddity]

If the suit were not spades, I'd pass. As it is, I would overcall and take some bidding room away from West. Also, there's a decent chance the opponents have an 8-card red-suit fit and if partner has 3 spades it may be right to compete. I don't want to have to guess after 1C-p-1H-p-2H.

[pooltuna]

pass is fine for me

[kgr]

Thank you all for the answers.

I did bid 1♥ - transfer to ♠ - and my partner did bid 4♠. That was DBLed and did go min 2. My partner did bid 4♠ to make and was disappointed by the dummy. He did expect more. (eg a singleton iso 2 doubletons).

...Pretty much a style thing. It wasn't a disaster as opps could make 4♥.

He said that I didn't have enough for a 1 level overcall. If I can't pass with it then I should bid 2♠ weak. (I will rather pass).

[the hog]

Automatic 1S bid for me.

[NickRW]

1♠ - wouldn't even think about it.

 

Nick

[dicklont]

Thank you all for the answers.

I did bid 1♥ - transfer to ♠ - and my partner did bid 4♠. That was DBLed and did go min 2. My partner did bid 4♠ to make and was disappointed by the dummy. He did expect more. (eg a singleton iso 2 doubletons).

...Pretty much a style thing. It wasn't a disaster as opps could make 4♥.

He said that I didn't have enough for a 1 level overcall. If I can't pass with it then I should bid 2♠ weak. (I will rather pass).

Opps could make 4♥ so you did fine!

Does the partnership not have a method to find out if the overcall was any good?

We would cue 2♣ to show a good raise, invite or better.

Partner can answer:

2♠: dead minimum

3♠: better than minimum, not super

any suit: better than minimum, values in that suit

etc.

[the hog]

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?

[kgr]

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?

I don't remember;

...Something like:

♠KQxx

♥xxx

♦AJTxx

♣x

(An offensive hand with good fit that has a good chance for game opposite a decent 1♠ overcall).

[cRi cRi]

I would pass without even thinking of bidding .... but I am French :)

[NickRW]

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?

I don't remember;

...Something like:

♠KQxx

♥xxx

♦AJTxx

♣x

(An offensive hand with good fit that has a good chance for game opposite a decent 1♠ overcall).

Personally I would cue the enemy suit with that, rather than raise.

 

The subject of overcalls at MPs is something that bears some partnership discussion. At IMPs overcalling on something that is unlikely to produce a game, even with fit, and could incur a sizable penalty is folly. At MPs the partscore battle is so much more important - but it takes a degree of agreement between partners in order to handle it well.

 

I should add that when I said above that I would overcall without giving it much thought, that applies with regular partners. There are some partners that I play MPs with on a semi regular basis who specifically do not like that style - and so I don't. The end product is that games are easier to find - the rather more common partscore is not.

 

Nick

[gwnn]

I hope I will never stop bidding on these hands.

 

BTW people were having a good time analysing the merits of

 

(1M)-2m=4 other M, 5+m

(1m)-2m=at least 4-4 in the majors

 

at Brasov. The ridicule in the bulletin is nothing compared to what the viewers of vugraph thought when Barry Rigal was talking about them.

[cRi cRi]

SO much easier to coment than to play ...

[kgr]

BTW people were having a good time analysing the merits of

 

(1M)-2m=4 other M, 5+m

(1m)-2m=at least 4-4 in the majors

 

at Brasov. The ridicule in the bulletin is nothing compared to what the viewers of vugraph thought when Barry Rigal was talking about them.

Do you have more info about this analysis ...?

[the hog]

kgr, would you mind posting the whole hand? As dick says in the post above, I am curious as to what your partner had; was no cue raise available?

I don't remember;

...Something like:

♠KQxx

♥xxx

♦AJTxx

♣x

(An offensive hand with good fit that has a good chance for game opposite a decent 1♠ overcall).

Personally I would cue the enemy suit with that, rather than raise.

 

The subject of overcalls at MPs is something that bears some partnership discussion. At IMPs overcalling on something that is unlikely to produce a game, even with fit, and could incur a sizable penalty is folly. At MPs the partscore battle is so much more important - but it takes a degree of agreement between partners in order to handle it well.

 

I should add that when I said above that I would overcall without giving it much thought, that applies with regular partners. There are some partners that I play MPs with on a semi regular basis who specifically do not like that style - and so I don't. The end product is that games are easier to find - the rather more common partscore is not.

 

Nick

Well, I would bid 3D with that and pass partner's 3S? This is not a 4S bid with my opartners, but as nick stated, this depends on with whom you are playing and what you have discussed.