mtvesuvius Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 V vs NV at MPs you hold: KT7xxAKxxxxxx RHO deals: (1♠) - P - (P) - X(P) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb79 Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I bid 1nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi, Pass. Take the right view, if game is on, I doubt that we willbe able to get 800, but we will get 300-500, so I wouldsay that going for blood is winning in the long run. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 1NT for me, very close, but our trumps are too weak, and partner is jsut reopening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 1NT for me. I don't feel very strongly about this one, but 1NT should usually be OK unless it is a partscore deal where we could take 1♠X for 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 1nt and i dont think it is close. passing is betting we can make 2s at these colors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 1nt and i dont think it is close. passing is betting we can make 2s at these colors I would bet heavily on that, who wouldn't? I thought the point of bidding 1N is because you might have a game and probably won't get 800. edit: Also as far as I know 100 beats 90! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 1nt and i dont think it is close. passing is betting we can make 2s at these colors I would bet heavily on that, who wouldn't? I thought the point of bidding 1N is because you might have a game and probably won't get 800. edit: Also as far as I know 100 beats 90! Well yes, I was on my iphone and didn't want to tap out that there is some vigorish if we can make exactly 1NT and beat 1S exactly 1. I'm not sure how likely that is. I think there is almost no chance of 800, that's us making 4♠. RHO purports to have an opening hand with at least 4-5 HCP outside of spades, depending on opening style. We're looking at ♥AKx and the one offsuit partner is most likely to hold is hearts. If the minor suit honors are scattered then they will be making some tricks with them. In this scenario, the only way for me to get rid of my minor suit losers (at spades) is to throw them on partner's hearts, but if partner has a good heart suit, then we definitely need +300 because we will have at least 110 in hearts on. Edit -- as for their prospects of avoiding 300 in 1♠x, again, for the analysis we should be assuming partner doesn't have ♥QTxxx or so. If partner has the stiff spade, then they make 3 or 4 spade tricks (most likely 4 spade tricks) on power so need 2-3 tricks from the offsuits. If partner can cover 4 of my 5 minor suit spot cards then we are pretty close to 3NT (x, QTxx, AKxx, AQJx) with all the defensive strength in one hand, which isn't good for their chances. So while I can see constructions where the tricks divide up such that passing 1♠x is optimal, I think we are aiming at a 1-total-trick wide window (and possibly specific divisions of the tricks within that window) if we do so. Since I like to think I bid them and play them better than the average field bear, I don't want to risk the entire board on passing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think everyone has the Vul. wrong... We are V and They are NV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think everyone has the Vul. wrong... We are V and They are NV I don't think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Edit -- as for their prospects of avoiding 300 in 1♠x, again, for the analysis we should be assuming partner doesn't have ♥QTxxx or so. I dont see why you would assume partner has QTxxx of hearts. Partner having long hearts is far worse for the defense than anything else, giving him 5 hearts as the basis of your analysis for our offensive and defensive potential will bias your results a lot, and I don't see any real reason for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Edit -- as for their prospects of avoiding 300 in 1♠x, again, for the analysis we should be assuming partner doesn't have ♥QTxxx or so. I dont see why you would assume partner has QTxxx of hearts. Partner having long hearts is far worse for the defense than anything else, giving him 5 hearts as the basis of your analysis for our offensive and defensive potential will bias your results a lot, and I don't see any real reason for that. I was assuming he does not have 5 hearts. We need him to not have 5 hearts (for obvious reasons), which means we need cover cards for the ♦xxx, ♣xx (or RHO has 6 tricks in spades), which means 3NT is often making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Edit -- as for their prospects of avoiding 300 in 1♠x, again, for the analysis we should be assuming partner doesn't have ♥QTxxx or so. I dont see why you would assume partner has QTxxx of hearts. Partner having long hearts is far worse for the defense than anything else, giving him 5 hearts as the basis of your analysis for our offensive and defensive potential will bias your results a lot, and I don't see any real reason for that. I was assuming he does not have 5 hearts. We need him to not have 5 hearts (for obvious reasons), which means we need cover cards for the ♦xxx, ♣xx (or RHO has 6 tricks in spades), which means 3NT is often making. I misread, my bad. Stupid contractions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well at least you and I read the vulnerability correctly. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 1nt and i dont think it is close. passing is betting we can make 2s at these colors I would bet heavily on that, who wouldn't? I thought the point of bidding 1N is because you might have a game and probably won't get 800. edit: Also as far as I know 100 beats 90! according the same metric it loses to 120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I pass. Maybe LHO could have done something w/r or RHO would have self raised to 2♠ with 6 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I thought about this a lot and I like pass. The situation I really like is that we could get them for 300 or 500 when we don't have game, or if game was making but we didn't have the values to bid it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 1NT and this is not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think everyone has the Vul. wrong... We are V and They are NV I don't think so V vs NV.Is that related to opener? or to 'us'? (I always thought to 'us', so here we are V and they are NV).What is the concensus on BBF, seems like pretty basic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think everyone has the Vul. wrong... We are V and They are NV I don't think so V vs NV.Is that related to opener? or to 'us'? (I always thought to 'us', so here we are V and they are NV).What is the concensus on BBF, seems like pretty basic. Yes V vs NV means we are vul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think this is pretty close between a pass and 1NT. My inclination is towards bidding 1NT on hands like this. I'm not sure that is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Justin and Josh must be wrong, because I thought "pass, wtp" therefore bidding must be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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