NickRW Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 You make it sound like it's an almost impossible task. Very discouraging. Well, yes and no. If you're 60+, taking up bridge for the first time and aspire to be world champion, then Justin's advice is 99.999999% on the money. But, pretty much whatever your age, you can always do better than you currently do - people should set themselves realistic goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 If you're open to the idea that sports psychologists have something useful to say about improving and you're not turned off by the golf idiom, check out Bob Rotella's "Golf is not a game of perfect "in print or audio. Audio excerpt here. Obviously, not everything he has to say is directly applicable to bridge but a lot of it is imo. I like his emphasis on the importance of having a dream ... and on having and executing a reasonable plan. Of course, for some personality types and traumatized ex-golfers, this stuff is a complete waste of time. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I'm about to give up bridge:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :angry:I have been here, many times. Like you, I don’t have a regular/serious partner but I do have some very good BBO partners to play 'standard' and learn from. We don’t discuss systems in any detail but the games are fine. I have found it very frustrating and detrimental to my game to play with random partners, pickup experts are without doubt the worst. I know I need to improve my declarer and defensive play. I should be spending more time using the BridgeMaster deals and WORKING on my game. I’d still rather have some fun and play, BridgeMaster is work. Listen to experienced players. Ask, beg, plead, bribe someone you know is good to be your mentor.Ask many questions on forums, keep asking them until you get it right :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 reading this reminds me some many years ago when i came off snap/ beat your neighbours out of doors /whist/solo.stumbled on to bridge-had a pick up game live at a bridge club,and was thrilled we were 1 from bottom-no internet no print outs,so when the session over i used to run around and get the curtain cards out of as many boards as i could,and anylyze. my or pards opening leads,and would discuss with my new pard,he cottoned on to the situation,now 2 of us were collecting the curtain cards-our discussion bore fruit we weekly/monthly rose up the scale a form of bridge mate is another aid that can help.its the same as a bank," one can withdraw the amount out, that you put in"concentrate on quality as opposed to quantity---Kibbitzing a good game is rewarding be it relaxed/main room----start by ply simple systems do as a child does learn to walk before you start running,and build up your level of concentration and stamina regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 My personal experience is that improvement comes in fits and starts. 4 years is not that long. You probably are improving, but maybe playing against better players all the time is discouraging. I suspect that if you play against some rabbits you would thrash them when you might not have done a year or two ago. It really is a gulf between the top and bottom of the game. I have seen a few new players go down a blind alley of choosing a mentor who despite having some experience really is pretty clueless and despite good intentions actually does a disservice to the game by thinking that they can teach. It makes me depressed to see the talented beginner wasted that way. So some care is required in trying to pair up on a regular basis. Not sure of a foolproof way of avoiding that. Caveat emptor, I guess, and go by recommendations. As you are into books, have a go at Victor Mollo's Winning Double. It is a great confidence booster. Out of print but copies are around on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 The ability to analyze a hand is itself a skill you need to master. You need it when playing and also when evaluating your performance. I don't know what level you are at exactly, but many people never progress beyond noticing that a different bid or play would have worked and concluding they made a mistake. You need to go further and identify the layouts where your choice succeeds and fails and estimate the relative likelihood of both based on the evidence from the bidding and play. This is an essential preliminary step to becoming a good player. Second, I highly recommend learning from watching experts. Get hand records from top level events (there are various ways to do this) and bid and play the hands yourself, covering the 'unseen' hands if you find that helps. Then compare with what the experts did. If you can't figure out why they did something, post the hand here. Third, don't worry too much about results. If you are constantly studying and learning, results will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I'm about to give up bridge:) :( :( :( :( :( :( B)Someone once said that you're not playing enough bridge if you don't swear to give it up at least twice a week. Less flippantly, it's really important to enjoy the game - you might need to take a break, play with someone new, or go to a major tournament. They have all worked for me in the past. As Justin said, there is time to get the hang of the game. It is worth remembering that this is not a simple game and measurable success comes slowly. If you're looking for quick improvements, you will struggle to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 You're playing a lot, but with who and against who? You've read 50 books, but which books? It's better to play 30 boards a week with a good partner against good opponents, rather than play 100+ with and against poor players. And reading the wrong books won't help much either. If you want to enjoy and improve your game, you really should find a good partner and play a lot with him (preferably someone who's a bit better than you are). Listen and learn, try to discuss hands,... If you're unable to find a decent partner, I'd advise you to read advanced books on declarer play and analyze every hand you play online, even the ones where you got good results. You have a double dummy analyzer available to help. Since you don't have a steady partner, the only part where you can really improve is declarer play. If you bring home your contracts or make more tricks than the other tables, at least you'll feel better about your own performance and you'll enjoy the game more. You might even attract the attention of good players, and perhaps you can form a partnership which can really boost your abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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