aguahombre Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I would never make this bid, because if I had the spade hand I would have stretched to bid spades, but if I hd any other hand I would be absolutely insane to make this bid since almost everyone will assume it is spades. So, for you 4♠ does not exist? What would it mean if you were partnering yourself so you could be 100% confident that no misunderstanding would result?When playing with yourself you always know what your partner is holding -true enough. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 WTF I gave different answers on both :D. I have an excuse, I play double of 3x as GF to avoid this problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevan Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I would pass 4S "till death do us part"! The way I play with my partner, a direct 3S would be stronger than the bidding shown on this post. I agree with those who assume that partner was hoping to bid 3S(NF) over 3H; but, got stuck at the four level. Hopefully, partner was prepared for a bid other than 3H! Adequate values and distribution! This is an interesting post. Not as entertaining as the "vituperation" one; regardless, these posts add to the learning experience in bridge! Those who might have played negative doubles for a long time, or "Sputnik" doubles, or Negative Free bids might relate to what I am saying about the "learning experience". We have won or lost matches at high level competition with hands of this nature where one agreement might work better than another. As far as I am concerned, the bottom line is to make sure that you discuss with your partner and pin down the gray areas in bidding; this post is a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Simple counter question: what would 3S mean? My take: 4S now is a cue fr clubs, because for me 3S the roundbefore would have been natural and forcing. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Just read, that 4S showes a hand, which wanted to convert3H to 3S, to play therer, sry?In other words p was risking to play 4S as he made the neg. X,but was not willing to bid 3S the round before, beause he wouldhave to play there as well? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbaker Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 White vs Red, dealer passed, I opened this distributional hand: ♠xx♥AQJTxx♦---♣QJ8xx Pa 1♥ 3♦ XPa 4♣ Pa 4♠Pa ??? What's 4♠? What do I do now? What's going on? To double then bid a new suit must show a strong hand. Also the bidding up to this point is giving you several clues. Dealer is doing nothing but passing and the other opponent prempted to 3♦s. So should have between 6-11 points at best. Your 10+preemptor's 6-11 if that many is only 16-21 points. With 19-24 points out there who has them more importantly would dealer pass if he has an opening or close to an opening hand. Now we are ready to consider partner's hand. To double then bid a new suit at the 4 level shows an opening+ hand and long ♠s. With that in mind I would now look at 5♦s as an exclusion keycard blackwood bid and that would enable us to place the contract in the correct spot either 5, 6, or 7, ♠s depending on the response. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 - The revelation that Justin is clearly going to be the best bridge player in the world, assuming he ever sobers up. lol @ 20+ years... lol wow inquiry busted out joe grue...touche... epic thread. BTW I <3 YOU KEN I CAN'T BELIEVE WE USED TO FIGHT LIKE THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 At one point today, the poll was 10 to 1 in favor of natural, now it is 12 to 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Oh there was a long and emotional thread about this a year or two ago! let me try to find it... (it is necessary to link to it here cos there's hardly any chance of this getting so much an input) this is the one: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=18005 it's not really the same auction but it is a little bit like it.Clearly, we need FredG in on this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 - The revelation that Justin is clearly going to be the best bridge player in the world, assuming he ever sobers up. lol @ 20+ years... lol wow inquiry busted out joe grue...touche... epic thread. BTW I <3 YOU KEN I CAN'T BELIEVE WE USED TO FIGHT LIKE THIS! That's because you used to be an idiot. Now I have educated you up to just a moron. LOL :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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