gdawg01 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sxxxhaqjxxdajxcax&s=sxhk9xxdkq10xxxxcx]133|200|[/hv] Pard dealt as North and opened 1N (15-17). RHO overcalled 2C (alerted as natural). Sitting with the 7-4-1-1 hand and not playing doubles as stolen bids, I ventured a "confusing" 3H and we ended up in 4H, making 7 when they did not find the spade lead. My question is : How would people show such a hand and bid it to slam? Also what would 3C over 2C mean here? TIA! Girish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 This hand depends on whether you play Lebensohl-type methods. Many people play transfer-style Lebensohl, which would allow you to force to game and explore hearts and diamonds. If you play only natural methods, I would begin with a natural and game-forcing 3♦ and take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I would start with 3 Diamond too, GF and diamonds. 1 NT (2♣) 3♦ (pass) Partner may decide to bid 3 ♥. Now you now of the double fit, even when 3 Heart shows just four. When the diamond and hearts are solid, you may count 11 tricks, so I would bid 4 NT, hoping that this is RCKB for hearts. After he showed 3KCs, I can ask for the queen and bid 6 Heart with confidence. When partner has no 3 Heart bid and tries 3 NT, I would set trumps with 4 diamonds, which is RCKB for me and reach 6 Heart after getting to know that partner has 3 aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdawg01 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks! Ant- How would the transfer-style Lebensohl work? That is, what are the responses and continuations in this case? Regards,G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 When partner has no 3 Heart bid and tries 3 NT, I would set trumps with 4 diamonds, which is RCKB for me and reach 6 Heart after getting to know that partner has 3 aces.Assume you meant 6D, not 6H. 4D RKC for diamonds seems right if partner doesnt show hearts, even if he shows spades, with NT RKC for the Major or 4C agreeing the Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Lebensohl does not apply over 2♣ interference. How would you show diamonds in your system without interference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdawg01 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Phil, Depends on whom I am playing with. With one pard, I bid 2S transfers to clubs (correct to diamonds) and with another, 2N => a transfer to diamonds. Given our (lack of) methods, a bid of a new suit after the transfer was accepted shows 4+ in the suit and slam interest. -G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Weird question. "We play something strange over 2♣, but we don't know what _____ means. What should ______ mean?" I would just play what most people play over 2♣, namely systems on with X as Stayman. No problem, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks! Ant- How would the transfer-style Lebensohl work? That is, what are the responses and continuations in this case? Regards,GKen and Phil are much more experienced than I so I would suggest the methods they propose --- no Lebensohl over 2♣ and double is Stayman, respectively --- are superior. However, a partner and I decided some time ago to play transfer Lebensohl after any interference, including 2♣, so bids of 2NT and higher are transfers. 2NT here (transfer into their suit) would be Staymanic for us. To show a hand like the OP we would bid 3♣ to show diamonds, then rebid 3♥. This would only show 5-4, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 If 2c or any two bid is natural then:double=penaltiescuebid=stayman2 level bids to play3 level to forceinvite only in a higher ranking suit=2nt and then rebid the higher ranking suit. If 2c is anything else then x =stayman and system on. On this hand start with 3c or 3d then etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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