Hanoi5 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 All white you hold: xAxxAQ8xxxKJx Partner opens: 1NT 2♠*3♣* 3♦3NT ??? Your 2♠ asks about minors, partner has at least 4♣'s, 2 or 3♦'s (most probably 2) and minimum HCP, what do you bid? (You showed interest in slam and at least 5♦'s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Pass. Haven't I said it all? Why paint the same picture twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Pass, wtp? Summarizing your post - we have at best 30HCPand with a high probability a bad 8 card fit.Why should I move? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I wouldn't give up on slam yet. Partner wouldn't have cue-bid with QJx Kxxx Kx AQxx or KJx Qxx Kx AQxxx. I'd bid 4♣, presumably showing three-card support, and see what happens. If partner signs off in 4NT over that, I'll pass. If he cue-bids a major I think that should set clubs as trumps, and I'll drive slam in clubs. I hope that with my first example above he'll bid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Question for Hanoi5:How does your cue-bidding work. If you were to bid 4♣ with the South hand, will all subsequent bids be 1st round controls or either 1st/2nd round controls. I can think of a few ideal hands where 6♦ has good chances. But the key in your method is whether you can bring the bidding to a halt in 4NT (with a clear understanding it is to play). If you can, I'd bid 4♣ as precursor to cue bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 1st/2nd round controls. To 4♣ partner would bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 1st/2nd round controls. To 4♣ partner would bid 4♥.I think slam is tough to bid with any certainty. If I bid 4♠ now, I cannot be sure what 4NT by partner would mean vs 5♣ by partner. There is another interesting point in the bidding: If partner bids 3♥/3♠ after the 3♦, is he showing a 4-card suit? If there is such an agreement, a refusal to bid 3M will indicate a 3-3-2-5 hand. In any case, having hoped that partner cues 4♦ first, I'll give up after 4♥ and bid 4NT (to play, I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 1st/2nd round controls. To 4♣ partner would bid 4♥.I think slam is tough to bid with any certainty. If I bid 4♠ now, I cannot be sure what 4NT by partner would mean vs 5♣ by partner. There is another interesting point in the bidding: If partner bids 3♥/3♠ after the 3♦, is he showing a 4-card suit? If there is such an agreement, a refusal to bid 3M will indicate a 3-3-2-5 hand. In any case, having hoped that partner cues 4♦ first, I'll give up after 4♥ and bid 4NT (to play, I hope). I would have expected a different but related idea, where Opener bids 3♥ (lower-ranking major) with a fifth club or 3♠ (higher) with diamond interest but unwilling to go past 3NT (or better). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'm not passing 3N so the choices are 4♣ and 4♦. 4♣ really sounds like a self-cue with my trump better than what they are. I also think it demands a cue. 4♦ merely suggests slam. Partner is allowed to retreat to 4N (or 5♦) with a hand that doesn't want to cooperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Gnasher's examples convinced me you can't pass, especially because I still want to be in slam in both cases if you reverse the majors. 4♣ it is as the best description. Regarding above points, it seems obvious to me that partner bidding a major over 3♦ is either coming in diamonds or weak in the other major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 At most you have an eight card fit in Cl.At worst you have an eight card fit in Diam.Just bid straight Gerber initially ( 1NT - 4C! ). If you you are off 2 Aces stop in 4NT, otherwise bid 6D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 OP gives 2S as the systemic start, so this is off the subject. But is this hand strong enough for Walsh relay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 At most you have an eight card fit in Cl.At worst you have an eight card fit in Diam.Just bid straight Gerber initially ( 1NT - 4C! ). If you you are off 2 Aces stop in 4NT, otherwise bid 6D. Do you have a bus to catch? How will you feel if you are off one ace and partner has xx of diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 OP gives 2S as the systemic start, so this is off the subject. But is this hand strong enough for Walsh relay? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 OP gives 2S as the systemic start, so this is off the subject. But is this hand strong enough for Walsh relay? Yes.So, if opener has xx in Diamonds as Jdonn suggests, I can watch pard play 3NT and still catch the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Ive assuming that the 2S denies a 4 card major therefore likely to have 3 clubs , so imo partner should strive to make a cue-bid with Kx in D and AQxxx in clubs and a M king. However i believe here that 3D is halfway between slammish and looking for the best game so partner 3Nt is showing wasted values in both majors. I can see hands where 4Nt/5D goes down so im more tempted for pass than bid on but its close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Regarding above points, it seems obvious to me that partner bidding a major over 3♦ is either coming in diamonds or weak in the other major. Interesting. My initial thought is often that calls like this often do agree diamonds and start cues, possible probes. However, often times strain is still in question, as it is here, where strain must be resolved first. The sequence demands NT or a minor, so I think diamonds are in contention but clubs also remain on the table. Were clubs eliminated, then 3M should definitely be probe or cue, but is that the case here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 All white you hold: xAxxAQ8xxxKJx Partner opens: 1NT 2♠*3♣* 3♦3NT ??? 2♠ asks about minors......Why isn't this hand treated a "single" long minor suit, slammish ?In your NT structure, do you have an initial response to show that?If so, Opener can support with as little as Honor-x doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 All white you hold: xAxxAQ8xxxKJx Partner opens: 1NT 2♠*3♣* 3♦3NT ??? 2♠ asks about minors......Why isn't this hand treated a "single" long minor suit, slammish ?In your NT structure, do you have an initial response to show that?If so, Opener can support with as little as Honor-x doubleton.that was the reason for the earlier question whether this hand is strong enough for the Walsh Relay. Phil says "yes". therefore, after the phony xfr to hts and the knock-off, one can bid 3D to show broken suit slam try. Opener with no honor xx or xxx will sign off. But, as stated, the OP has given a 2S start, so the replies on this string should address how to handle that. "another Problem with 1NT-2s" suggests the OP is not really happy with his structure, but wants to discuss the follow-ups within that scheme anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 All white you hold: xAxxAQ8xxxKJx Partner opens: 1NT 2♠*3♣* 3♦3NT ??? Your 2♠ asks about minors, partner has at least 4♣'s, 2 or 3♦'s (most probably 2) and minimum HCP, what do you bid? (You showed interest in slam and at least 5♦'s). Hanoi5 ..... What was Opener's hand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 ♠Kxx♥KQx♦Jx♣AQxxx Partner bid 4♦ and I bid 4♥. We arrived at 5♦, heart lead taken by dummy's king, what now? [hv=n=skxxhkqxdjxcaqxxx&s=sxhaxxdaq8xxxckjx]133|200|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 ♦A picks up singleton king in either hand; ♦J picks up singleton 9 or 10 offside. ♦J also gives us a chance when RHO has ♦K109x - we can take two diamonds and then try to cash the clubs. I run ♦J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 ♦A picks up singleton king in either hand; ♦J picks up singleton 9 or 10 offside. ♦J also gives us a chance when RHO has ♦K109x - we can take two diamonds and then try to cash the clubs. I run ♦J same possibility when its stiff K of diamonds onside, maybe we catch LHO with 3+clubs anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.