Ant590 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Holding ♠AKT9xx ♥Txxx ♦Q ♣xx Matchpoints in a mediocre field, vulnerable against not. Partner opens a weak NT (12-14). You can either invite showing 5/4 or GF showing 6/4. Which do you do? Is it clearcut? Edit: 13 cards now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zheddh Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Would treat that hand as an invite inspite of the good suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure.I changed the auction to make the issue more slaient. Our actual auction was: 1♣ - 1♥ .... natural or balanced - spades1♠ - ? .... weak nt without 4 spades or 1=4=4=4 Here we play two-way-checkback, so I can invite with 5/4 via 2♣-2♦-2♥ or GF with an immediate 2♦. I felt the problem was similar to the way I presented it in the OP though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Can I invite showing a one-suiter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Can I invite showing a one-suiter? Yeah, can invite showing 5+ spades at the 2-level, or 6 at the three level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. I can't find a hand where hearts play better than spades, I wouldn't bid them if blasting to game anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Invite. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure. 1NT - 2C2D - 2S = 5/4 invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards). Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards). Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4. Lol, you know Ron's system better than himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Blast 4S. Take my medicine for this view if it fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Can I invite showing a one-suiter? Yeah, can invite showing 5+ spades at the 2-level, or 6 at the three level That's what I do then (2♣--> 3♠ I assume) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I invite in spades. This is transfer and raise for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Invite in spades and stay at the 2 level if possible. If partner pass 2S it wouldnt suprise me if we make only 8 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 While I disagree with Fluffy, who said he couldn't construct a hand that played better in hearts than in spades (there aren't many, tho), I would agree with him and the others who want to treat this as spades and only spades. I would invite, and would be happy to avoid playing transfers on this hand.... not only do I love being declarer in a mediocre field, but there is the advantage of concealment, especially having avoided mentioning hearts in the auction. While offset to some degree (possibly large) by not having the lead come around to partner's non-spade holding, I see it as a slight edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I must be crazy but I wouldn't even invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Matchpoints, protect the plus. Also, we are playing in spades, and partner is playing it. There is nothing positional about our hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards). Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4. It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids.Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape. Anyway, I misread the original problem and thought it was over a 15-17NT, not that that has any relevance to the comment above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I must be crazy but I wouldn't even invite. hmm, me neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards). Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4. It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids. Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape ? I gave the commonly used structure for both Majors. For GF+ Major/minor 2-suiters you only need a "good" 4 cds minor: 1NT - 2D!/2H! 2M - 3m = 5M/4+m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing. That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards). Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4. It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids. Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape ? I gave the commonly used structure for both Majors. For GF+ Major/minor 2-suiters you only need a "good" 4 cds minor: 1NT - 2D!/2H! 2M - 3m = 5M/4+m "Commonly used" by whom? Certainly not by me or anyone I know. Playing this sequence as 5/5 is a waste of a sequence imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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