Strange Stayman Sequence?

[kenrexford]

I had an interesting problem come up.

 

Suppose that you open 2♥ or 2♠ weak, despite having 6-4 or 4-6 in the majors.

 

Partner then bids 2NT, asking for length and shape (3♣ five, with 3♦ strength re-ask; 3♦/3♥/3♠ 6min/mid/max). You show whatever you have, and partner elects to bid 3NT.

 

Now, with 6-4 or 4-6, especially with some hands, you may have really good cause to pull 3NT. If you hold 6♠/4♥, then 4♥ seems to show what you have and gives partner options. But, if you hold 6♥/4♠, you have a problem.

 

Seems to me that 2♥-P-2NT!-P-?-P-3NT-P-4♣ might make sense as "stayman" or "nmf" or something.

 

Thoughts?

 

(I had ♠Jxxx ♥QJ10xxx ♦Jx ♣x or so.)

[Cascade]

It is a general problem when you have shorter spades than hearts and partner prematurely bids 3NT.

 

Perhaps 4♥ by inference shows that hand. Depending on how likely seven hearts are.

[jdonn]

I think, having shown a bad hand with 6 hearts (please tell me this was a bad hand for you), that pulling 3NT on that particular hand is quite bad even if you can show it. Come to think of it, I don't think I would ever want to preempt in hearts if I hold spades so good that I will feel the need to pull 3NT later.

[kenrexford]

In practice, I passed 3NT. I think partner's 3NT was off (he had AK tight in hearts). But, then I wondered if the 4-6 pattern was that extra something meriting my call of something to show 4-6 pattern. Two ways to win, rather than one.

 

I did show weak with six, btw.

[csdenmark]

In practice, I passed 3NT.  I think partner's 3NT was off (he had AK tight in hearts).  But, then I wondered if the 4-6 pattern was that extra something meriting my call of something to show 4-6 pattern.  Two ways to win, rather than one.

 

I did show weak with six, btw.

Your hand is not worth opening. It is a defensive hand.

 

Opening anyway your partner seems not to understand the implications of holding top cards in his short suit versus long-weak.

[mcphee]

I fail to see the need to create the problem with the wk 2H to begin with. I try to avoid making sense of a bid that might come up once in a couple of thousand hands. My thoughts are more like, why do you want to consider this this?

[ArtK78]

I think that your main problem on this hand was partner's decision to play 3NT opposite a bad weak 2 bid in hearts when he holds the AK tight of hearts (assuming that your recollection is correct).