Hanoi5 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 You open 1NT on: ♠AKQx♥KQxx♦Kxx♣xx Partner transfers to spades and you super-accept with 3♠ and he bids 5♠, what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 How much better can my trumps get? That said, I think this is more of a "how do you like your hand" bid. If partner actually cared about particular trump honors, there's keycard. I think I pass. Yes I have 17 highs, but the AKQ of ♠ isn't really pulling full weight opposite a 5 bagger and I have no side source of tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 6♠, wtp? I want to invite a grand but even if I bid something lower there is no way we will have an accurate auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 How much better can my trumps get? That said, I think this is more of a "how do you like your hand" bid. If partner actually cared about particular trump honors, there's keycard. I think I pass. Yes I have 17 highs, but the AKQ of ♠ isn't really pulling full weight opposite a 5 bagger and I have no side source of tricks. So you have the best hand you could possibly have and a ruffing value and you pass. That just can't be winning bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Best *high* cards. But compare this hand to something like: ♠ AQxx♥ KQx♦ KQJx♣ xx My point is, that as 17 counts go the trick taking potential of the given hand isn't as strong as it could be for the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 6♠. Maybe even 6♥ if partner can figure this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 You open 1NT on: ♠AKQx♥KQxx♦Kxx♣xx Partner transfers to spades and you super-accept with 3♠ and he bids 5♠, what do you bid? If partner wanted to know about trumps/keycards, he would have used RKC. I think this is a general invite, ie. with A-K oriented hand or a source of tricks, bid 6, otherwise pass. I would pass because I have wasted spade honors opposite 5-bagger or longer. A little similar situation is 1NT-2C-2H-5H. A general invite if opener is control oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Clearly I am going to bid 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Not sure what partner is doing . Anyway I am not passing : not my problem if we are off 2 aces . 6♥ to show good trumps and side source of tricks (the only reasonnable way to invite 7). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 So the question is: You bid 1 NT 2♥3♠ 5 ♠ and you have no idea what 5 spade is for, but partner still bids it?I won't care, but I would define it or not use it. To me this would ask for top trumps and we answer in steps. So it is an easy 6♦. When you have no agreement, do not use this bid. The number of ridicolus results like 7 spade -2 or 5 spade +2 will never compensate for the one hand where you are luckily on the same wavelength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 6S. No idea what 5S means, but if it does not make, the 5S bidwas stupid. We play 5S as a quantitative invite, of course we also play3NT as serious, which is the bid partner should most likelyhave made. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I think it's OK to use 5♠ as a quantitative invite without discussion. Not in a serious tournament, but at the club night the main objective is to sharpen our partnership understanding, and undiscussed calls contribute to that. Anyway, 6♠ wtp. The fact that I bid 3♠ rather than some cheaper and/or more specific superaccept suggests that we aren't playing Ken Rexford's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 5NT shows AKQ I think, that's my bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 You open 1NT on: ♠AKQx♥KQxx♦Kxx♣xx Partner transfers to spades and you super-accept with 3♠ and he bids 5♠, what do you bid? Normally I use the 5 of an agreed major as small slam force with the following steps when partner has first introduced the suit. pass: does not hold 2 of the top 3 honours5NT: 2 of top 3 honours, no additional length than already inferred6♣: 2 of top 3 honours, additional length6♦: 3 of top 3 honours, no additional length than already inferred6♥: 3 of top 3 honours, additional length6♠: 3 of top 3 honours, additional length, + I don't know why, but have never considered the response over a NT opening and it's subsequent permutations. I suppose retaining the 5NT bid as 2 of top 3, all suit bids showing a second suit with AKQ of trumps and direct raise to 6 showing AKQ with no side suit worthy of mention. With no agreement any step forward will lead us to a small slam, so 5NT looks as good as any with a maximum, giving partner that bit of space if he requires. But with no agreement and outside aces, I cannot see this going past 6♠ and that is what I would bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 5♠ either shows or asks for good trumps in order to play a slam. In this case it is clearly asking but I wasn't sure what was the right answer with this holding. I just found it on the internet! Josephine's Asking Bid If you bid 5 in major this is a Josephine bid asking for trump honors, if these things occur A major suit is agreed as trump & you bid 5 in the trump suit. - Support partners major suit on the 5-level. One exception is if the 5 bidder has denied strength that can include 1. control in all the other suits. The bid is then slam-try. 5H- Pass: 0/1 top honor in trump. 5NT : 3 top honors in trump. 6H : 2 top honors in trump. 5S- Pass: 0/1 top honor in trump. 5NT : 3 top honors in trump. 6S : 2 top honors in trump. Anyway, my partner just bid 7 and I had the perfect hand for 6 (a slam on a finesse!):♠T9xxx♥Ax♦Ax♣Kxxx X, Ace of clubs lead, 11 for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 <snip> Anyway, my partner just bid 7 and I had the perfect hand for 6 (a slam on a finesse!):♠T9xxx♥Ax♦Ax♣Kxxx X, Ace of clubs lead, 11 for them. Hopefully <perfect hand> was a joke, your partner hasone of the best possible hands and 6S is only 50%, makethe hand slightly worse, and you will have trouble making 5S. => 5S is simply a ... bid, of course 7S is also ..., if partnerwants to investigate 7S, he can bid different. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 why did you bid 5♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 How much better can my trumps get? That said, I think this is more of a "how do you like your hand" bid. If partner actually cared about particular trump honors, there's keycard. I think I pass. Yes I have 17 highs, but the AKQ of ♠ isn't really pulling full weight opposite a 5 bagger and I have no side source of tricks. I think I told partner that I really liked my hand in support of spades, when I super accepted the transfer. Kinda silly for him to now be asking "how do you like your hand?" again, don't you think? RKC may not help partner any. It's entirely possible he has a void in his hand and an RKC answer will not tell him about the trump quality. We already know he has 5+ weak trumps, but its possible you may be super-accepting on 17 hcp with 4 trumps that are AJxx or K10xx (depending on what partner holds). I think the 5M bid always asks for trump quality in this scenario. jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 As an aside... 5♠ is a goofy bid, unless it makes sense. 5♠ as a quantitative invite is silly, as is a trump ask. So, what actually makes sense here? IMO, the only logical meaning for 5♠ is a specific catering to a specific problem. The most logical problem I can think of is the void scenario. With a void, Exclusion makes sense. However, one Exclusion call is the most costly for the partnership space -- 5♥. A 5♠ call, then, makes a lot of sense as a call that says, "I have a void in hearts and a desire to play in 6♠ if your answer to a 5♥ Exclusion RKCB asking bid would have been 6♣ (2 without or better), but I cannot stand a 5NT response with just one." However, if the Super-Accept seems to promise at least that good of a response, then I think the 5♠ call should actually ask for an acceptance if Opener has a better hand than two without, because the 6♣ response would have been the rouble response. Or, if the super implied at least two with the Queen, then 5♠ asks for at least three. Whatever the minimum expectation for the superaccept, 5♠ could be used to show a void in hearts and a need for that minimum plus one. With that minimum plus two, or maybe a nice card somewhere, a cue back could be made. With that minimum plus two, the grand should be bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Agree with ken, seemed pretty clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I think I told partner that I really liked my hand in support of spades, when I super accepted the transfer. Kinda silly for him to now be asking "how do you like your hand?" again, don't you think? There is some variety in how different partnerships super-accept. In some this might not be so silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I don't understand why it doesn't make sense as a trump askingn bid. The super-acceptance only shows 4-card support and a maximum HCP. Those trumps could be Kxxx or even worse. If I held a heart void (or any void for that matter) I could just take the slow road and cue-bid at the 4 lvl, never asking for KC so that if partner doesn't ask I'll just continue cue-bidding hinting at this. It's true, the same could have been done here, I could have just asked for KC and go on to 6 if partner held 3 or 2+Q (but then missing the slam if partner held ♠AK and good clubs + the red Kings). So I felt 5♠ which asked for two of the missing high trumps was a nice way to get to a borderline slam (unfortunately partner had all three and that had not been discussed so he went creative himself). It's sort of those game/slam jumps which sometimes catch the defense off-guard. You are usually sure the contract is on but it could go down if you give out too much information, so you just get there instead of going slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 5NT. Accepting and leaving options open for 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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