gwnn Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 1♦-1♥-x-p1NT-2♦-p-3♥ 1♦ was 2+, 10-15 and X promised 4 spades. 1NT was some 11-13 hand with a heart stop. Partner had 3 different ways to raise hearts here (2♦, 2♥, 2NT). 2♦ was unambiguously agreed as natural. What hand can partner have here?! Does vulnerability/scoring matter? We had a discussion and didn't arrive at a consensus. (the actual hand was immediately discarded as pointless) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Impossible. I'm sure kenrexford will tell us this must be a splinter since it's impossible as a heart raise :ph34r: Or perhaps Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I like Justins idea about Kens thoughts.But playing a strong and long tournement, it is horrible to invent such a bid on the table, no matter what it logically should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Clearly, the 3♥ bid shows a big diamond fit. The only question is whether the partnership is permitted to make splinter bids in a suit partner has already bid. If so, then this is a splinter raise. If not, then it shows a card or two in hearts (Kx is a live possibility) and a massive diamond fit. I really don't think we need Ken to tell us this. There are no other possibilities considering the pass over 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Agree with Art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 partner was hoping they would let you play 1♥x. When this didn't materialize, he thought he should invite in the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Splinter, and to answer the question in the topic, partner enjoys seeing you twist and toil in your seat. I might not say that there is anything wrong with partner though... Since I occaisionally enjoy that myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I think I bid something like this the other day. It's called the ohheckwhatamidoingin3insteadof2 convention, though maybe if you don't wind up declarer it's called something different. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Agree with Art. I agree with Art's conclusion and Justin's option #2 for what I would think. I also think this is a no-brainer. Whereas the splinter idea has some application in other sequences, not here. The default should be obvious -- fit showing bids show fits. This is simply a fit-jump in hearts to support diamonds, but in a backwards way -- showing heart partial support. Passable choice; descriptive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round? You hold: xKxxxxxxxxxxx LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles. I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round? You hold: xKxxxxxxxxxxx LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles. I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards. I really don't think 3♥ is an appropriate call on these cards (not to mention this hand is impossible.) But I admit you got me thinking in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round? You hold: xKxxxxxxxxxxx LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles. I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards. I really don't think 3♥ is an appropriate call on these cards (not to mention this hand is impossible.) But I admit you got me thinking in the right direction. I suppose you must have at least 2 spades, probably 3, for this auction to make any sense. It is remotely possible that partner has a good hand, 4-5-4-0 distribution with very good hearts, LHO is 3-4-2-4 and RHO is 4-2-1-6. My hand could be better with less shape: xx Kx QJTxxx xxx. I assume that the opps are playing a strong club system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 The only possible alternative is that responder had a fit, felt too weak to raise initially (even with 2♦ and 2♥ available!) but now feels that he would show a too weak hand to if he simply bids 2♥ now. Don't know what the hand looks like, I wouldn't ever bid this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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