JoAnneM Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Is there a minimum percentage of hands that a pair must play in an ACBL sanctioned game to be eligible for masterpoints? I can't find it, and the issue is relevant to our game today. Thanks, Jo Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 What are the circumstances? I would imagine that anything beyond a single sit out would lead to adjusted scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 A player got sick in the middle of the game. They played 15 of 27 boards. They are currently sitting in 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Even with the Avg- they got on the 12 bds they didn't play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I have given them and their opponents average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 That it not consistent with the laws. Law 88, in particular: In a pair or individual event, when a non-offending contestant is required to take an artificial adjusted score through no fault or choice of his own, such contestant shall be awarded a minimum of 60% of the matchpoints available to him on that board, or the percentage of matchpoints he earned on boards actually played during the session if that percentage was greater than 60%. Also 12.C.1: When, owing to an irregularity, no result can be obtained, the Director awards an artificial adjusted score according to responsibility for the irregularity: average minus (at most 40% of the available matchpoints in pairs) to a contestant directly at fault; average (50% in pairs) to a contestant only partially at fault; average plus (at least 60% in pairs) to a contestant in no way at fault (see Law 86 for team play or Law 88 for pairs play). The scores awarded to the two sides need not balance. While it may seem rather harsh on the sick player (But see 12.B.1 re: that), that's what the law says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 That it not consistent with the laws. Law 88, in particular: In a pair or individual event, when a non-offending contestant is required to take an artificial adjusted score through no fault or choice of his own, such contestant shall be awarded a minimum of 60% of the matchpoints available to him on that board, or the percentage of matchpoints he earned on boards actually played during the session if that percentage was greater than 60%. Also 12.C.1: When, owing to an irregularity, no result can be obtained, the Director awards an artificial adjusted score according to responsibility for the irregularity: average minus (at most 40% of the available matchpoints in pairs) to a contestant directly at fault; average (50% in pairs) to a contestant only partially at fault; average plus (at least 60% in pairs) to a contestant in no way at fault (see Law 86 for team play or Law 88 for pairs play). The scores awarded to the two sides need not balance. While it may seem rather harsh on the sick player (But see 12.B.1 re: that), that's what the law says. so do you give average- to the ill person, average+ to their p and average+ to their opps? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 so do you give average- to the ill person, average+ to their p and average+ to their opps? :P Depends if the sick person was at fault. For example if it's food poisoning, you may award 60% if it happened at the bridge club's food shop, 50% if it happened at an unaffiliated restaurant and 40% if he cooked it himself. There was a letter to the laws expert of the Dutch BF magazine, asking about what to assign when a pair showed up late because of a car break down. The answer was 50% if the car had a valid safety inspection certificate and 40% otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The player is diabetic and has missed several games lately. We were glad to see him back. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Sr I shouldn't make silly jokes about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I thought the jokes were cute. I wrote to ACBL and here is the answer I got, which I would never have thought of. Hello, Jo Anne. Per ACBL Regulations, a pair must play a minimum of 18 boards to receive masterpoints for a game. As this pair did not play sufficient boards, they should not be receiving masterpoints. There are two ways you can handle this. One is to go under F9, option 5 and change the movement parameter so that they become a phantom pair. This would throw out the results that occurred on the boards they did play. The other process would be to give the pair No Plays on the boards they did not play, and then go to F9, option 4 and declare them ineligible. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The second option sounds preferable to me, so that their opponents get real scores for the boards they were able to play. I assume the 18 board minimum only applies to games that are longer than 18 boards, otherwise all the 12-board BBO games would not be able to award masterpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I am not sure, but I think online games and (some?) newcomer games get some dispensation regarding this 18 board minimum thing. I'd have to look it up, and I'm too tired right now. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I had already done the 2nd option. It also gives a little bit more points to the remaining players, not that they probably care much. But the first option drops 1/2 half table from the movement. Plus, didn't seem right cancelling boards already played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Helene, was the car inspection portion serious? :lol: If so this is really pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I hope not! What does a safety inspection have to do with a car breaking down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerbids Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 This is going to get me into trouble for sure Officer - Why was your car bucking up and down like a horse at a texas rodeo and does it have a saftey inspection sticker?Passenger - Uhh yes it has a safety inspection sticker but my wife was at the wheel and officer you know the story of women drivers...they have no need for stickers they need the driving instruction manual stuck on the steering!!!!Officer - Run to your bridge game now and be careful when a safety play is involved cause you better make her dummy for that hand!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Poker, how did you escape from Jbridge? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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