Cascade Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=b&n=sjt764hjt74dk2ct7&s=saq95ha9dqj5ca832]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣ 1♠3♠ Pass[/hv] Weak No Trump system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 In a weak notrump system, 3♠ should show slightly more than it does in a strong notrump system, so maybe North should have kicked it in. (I voted "neither" before noticing that we are playing weak notrump). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Actually with a balanced hand 3♠ is limited to 17 as 18s start with something else in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 no blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 North shouldn't pass 3♠ vulnerable at IMPs, knowing partner has four spades. OMG, he has three Tens as well! No, seriously, this isn't a flat hand, it has two doubletons in it which should prove useful given the nice fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I strongly believe that in this sequence North should bid game with virtually any hand with 5 trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Neither. North has a min. responding hand, South invites, since he cant force to game, North declines, thats it. Sometimes you miss games. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 There are max. hands which North could have which would be worse than this min. for bidding 4♠. Like: QxxxQxxQJx or even KxxQxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 North should bid 4♠ at IMPs. Useful features in his hand include a fifth trump, the king of diamonds and a semi-solid heart suit which will grow in strength if partner does produce one or two honor cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 If you get a club lead you depend on the spade finesse, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitorlopes Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 At IMPs I would try 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Of course all the 4S bidders realise as well, that opener has aworking max, and that he could have a weaker hand, that he could have softer values. As always, it would have been better to hide one hand, in thiscase openers hand to ask if one should move. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 If you get a club lead you depend on the spade finesse, don't you? And the problem is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Even playing strong 1NT, would they get to game ?I doubt it.North would bid ( trash) Stayman and pass Opener's 2S reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Norths pass is ridiculously bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here? Can partner have a stiff heart (serious question, how do you play 3H OP?) Can partner have 4225? Can partner have 4234? Unless you catch 4324 or 4315 you have a great hand, and those are unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here? Can partner have a stiff heart (serious question, how do you play 3H OP?) Can partner have 4225? Can partner have 4234? Unless you catch 4324 or 4315 you have a great hand, and those are unlikely. 3♥ would be a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 So 3S is always 17 balanced or maybe 4225 16? I think north has a clear game bid opposite that range given that partner is likely to have a doubleton heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Could be 16 Balanced. Our 2♠ Raises are fairly wide range without this since we like to frequently raise with only three trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 It looks natural to kick it in with the north hand, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Anyway I agree that opposite a 'normal' (18-19 if balanced) 3♠ bid north has a clear game bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Was the trump K onsides ?If it were offside, how do you make 10 tricks with an opening Cl lead?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Was the trump K onsides ?If it were offside, how do you make 10 tricks with an opening Cl lead?. 1. I want to be in game vulnerable where it depends on a finesse or the opponents not finding the optimal lead 2. 1♣ was natural - really natural 4+ suit - so the chance of a club lead is diminished 3. The ♠K was offside and we made ten tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yes who would ever want to be in a vulnerable game that requires they lead opener's suit and a finesse is off to go down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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