mike777 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Good for them(and I mean this sincerely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys. I got this survey too... I honestly answered I would like to see sectional and more tourneys on line. I added in the other comments I would like to see club championships on line. Anyone who gets this survey should take it... I guess it is about 3 to 5 minutes to fill out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_s Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Me too. I'll just throw my comments out there in case anyone else is interested... or wants to help 'correct' my views. I told them I thought they were generally doing a great job. I told them that I wouldn't support online tournaments of any real importance because it was just too easy to cheat. I also expressed disappointment at hard it was to figure out which conventions were legal and which weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I answered in favor of online sectionals and not regionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I got it too. I thought that more of the questions needed a "don't know" option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys. I got this survey too... I honestly answered I would like to see sectional and more tourneys on line. I added in the other comments I would like to see club championships on line. Anyone who gets this survey should take it... I guess it is about 3 to 5 minutes to fill out. I got the survey e-mail also, but I thought it was a phishing e-mail because there was no ACBL logo anywhere; it was generic in its signature with no name; ACBL has a "Marketing Department", not a "Marketing Team". And finally, there is no mention of this *seventh annual membership survey* [according to the email text] on the ACBL website. You folks seem to think it is a legitimate ACBL survey. I just didn't want to click on some strange zoomerang.com/survey link given that there was no ACBL identifying information in the invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yep I answered the same as you Ben. But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room. 0 cheating that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadie3 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 I received the survey, too and I answered it. Maybe it is spam...maybe it isn't. They already had my email address and knew I was an ACBL member so I figured why not answer it? I thought it asked some good questions regarding online games and the possible direction of the future of online gaming. I thought it also asked some good questions about current articles in our ACBL Bridge Bulletin. I certainly didn't see that it was getting any extra information about me that I did not wish to share. I'm not that paranoid, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yep I answered the same as you Ben. But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room. 0 cheating that way. I also asked for real time updates to online events at all tables on the ACBL webpage. I will not hold my breath for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 I wonder if any ACBL members who play on BBO didn't get the email? I also got it and haven't gotten around to filling it in yet. I've filled out older ACBL surveys in the past too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yep I answered the same as you Ben. But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room. 0 cheating that way. I also asked for real time updates to online events at all tables on the ACBL webpage. I will not hold my breath for that one. Great idea. thanks. btw we all know the problems of online tourneys and cheats.....My take; go for it.....1) spur more money, time, energy to stop them....2) I grant true cheats will always be one step ahead..but I can live with that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waubrey Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think an online sectional would be terrific. And while they are at it they should have more respect for online points. If they don't want to count them fully toward Life Master status maybe they should create an Online Master designation. Cheating is a problem but I don't really think it happens much in the speedball games. Then again maybe I am just naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think cheating is a problem and a big hurdle to overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill1157 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Somewhat related, I would like to have acbl points awarded for robot matchpoint games: what a wonderful event. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one :) Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegru Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one :) You are not alone :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I would like to see a greater variety of online tournaments offered. If ACBL wants to undertake this, great. It does not really matter to me that they would be called "sectional" or "regional" tournaments, nor would it bother me if the points awarded in these tournaments were silver, red or gold. Could such events undermine the efforts of sectional and regional tournament organizers and have a negative effect on attendance at "in person" tournaments? Sure. But, would I care if there were no side-game series at a regional? Not at all. I would not mind if regionals in general were smaller tournaments focused more on Flight A/Open events. If the availability of online sectional and regional tournaments causes this to be the case, that's a beneficial side effect as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I am an ACBL member who plays on BBO, and I did not receive the e-mail. I am in favor of having higher level events than the usual ACBL games on BBO. But security is certainly a problem. I played in the World Pairs competition on the old E-bridge. When we got to the finals, we were required to have a proctor at each participant's computer. My partner and I were the first alternate pair for the last World Pairs played on e-bridge, and we only played one round (one pair showed up late, so we were excused after one round). I was playing at a local bridge club with the TD serving as the proctor. His job was to make sure that I had no assistance in the tournament, whether by someone in person or by any electronic means of communication. In a large tournament, that would be highly impractical. However, unusual results can be monitored, and if it is determined that a pair is cheating, steps can be taken - just as is done in live tournaments. It would be done after the fact, but given that the sanctions would probably involve a lifetime ban from all bridge organizations, it would serve as a deterrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I am an ACBL member who plays on BBO, and I did not receive the e-mail. Same here. But, this thread reminded me that the e-mail address I had registered at ACBL is no longer valid. Don't know quite how BBO works as far as e-mail addresses go, but the e-mail address in my BBO profile is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 What about introducing a new kind of ACBL (or WBF or whatever) masterpoints, namely "online points"? Along with an "online life master" title? Then people who think online bridge results are non-indicative because of the possibility of cheating can neglect such titles/points, and people who are less concerned can acknowledge them. Say two guys want to impress the same girl at the bar. One brags "I am a real-life gold life master", the other one brags "I am an online diamond life master". Then the girl can chose. So everyone gets it to their taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 What about introducing a new kind of ACBL (or WBF or whatever) masterpoints, namely "online points"? Along with an "online life master" title? Then people who think online bridge results are non-indicative because of the possibility of cheating can neglect such titles/points, and people who are less concerned can acknowledge them. Say two guys want to impress the same girl at the bar. One brags "I am a real-life gold life master", the other one brags "I am an online diamond life master". Then the girl can chose. So everyone gets it to their taste. First, there are online points now. They are "unpigmented" - they are neither black, silver, red, gold nor platinum. They do not count towards the yearly masterpoint races, except for the online masterpoint race. Furthermore, no more than 1/3 of the points needed to acheive any ACBL masterpoint rank can consist of online points. So, for example, to acheive the rank of Diamond Life Master, which requires 5000 masterpoints, no more than 1333 of those points can be online points - at least 3667 points must be won at live tournaments. Second, your story about impressing the girl at the bar reminded me of an old story. I will sanitize it somewhat. Pretty young girl at a bridge tournament meets the wife of a famous player. She asks the wife "What's it like to sleep with over 10,000 masterpoints?" To which the wife replies, "You mean all at once?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one :) Also very opposed. As a young person I've heard my whole life "I hope bridge is still around in X years." Providing incentive not to attend live tournaments seems like a good step in the right direction to really killing it off. Not only will you not have young people attending tournaments, you won't have old people either. Also, is there really that much interest to compete in a diluted field for inflated masterpoints? If the proposed sectionals draw the same quality of player as the ACBL games on BBO, what's the point? Can anyone explain the appeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Also, is there really that much interest to compete in a diluted field for inflated masterpoints? If the proposed sectionals draw the same quality of player as the ACBL games on BBO, what's the point? Can anyone explain the appeal? Around here, a sectional draws the same quality of player as a local club. So, what's the point? It would be my hope that online sectional and regional tournaments would mean longer, higher quality events. Also, through Swiss movements players can percolate to the level which they belong during an event, so for some the quality of bridge would end up being higher in these events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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