se12sam Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=e&s=st8763hat64dakca9]133|100|Scoring: IMPBidding goes:East South West NorthPass - 1♠ - pass - 2♠Pass - ??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 passsssss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I'd move opposite an 8-10 raise, specially if palying bergen (and 4 card support is possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 bid on, best would be, if you could ask p, if he has fitting heartvalues. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Pass! I don't know of too many juniors who would even would bid on with this :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted June 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Thanks all. The voting favors pass, which is what happened at the table. I posted this because it was a BBO teams board and the result at both tables was 2♠ +4 (!) for +230 and a push board. http://tinyurl.com/lgss9g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Cant see whats wrong with bidding 3♥ help suit game try.if P has 9 points in M or 4♥ or short ♥ game could have reasonable play .and if he doesnt 3 couldnt be too dangerous a level.Wish 2 of the passers here whose comments i value had been more informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Thanks all. The voting favors pass, which is what happened at the table. I posted this because it was a BBO teams board and the result at both tables was 2♠ +4 (!) for +230 and a push board. http://tinyurl.com/lgss9g Well, the dummy is pretty much max, has heart values for declarer, and just about everything that could sit right in the opps hands does so. Playing the way I do (with an outlet for strong two type hands and therefore responder doesn't need to say anything with crap), then I think this is a clear game try hand. However, playing standard, I would be nervous holding opener's hand - a game try could be right - and we could be down in three sometimes I think - so I have sympathies with those who would pass. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Cant see whats wrong with bidding 3♥ help suit game try.if P has 9 points in M or 4♥ or short ♥ game could have reasonable play .and if he doesnt 3 couldnt be too dangerous a level.Wish 2 of the passers here whose comments i value had been more informative. Informative: Bad trumps = danger. 3 is likely to be very dangerous. Sometimes you miss a not-vul game which makes 6 on 3 out of 3 finesses, two 3-2 breaks in important suits, and the wrong lead! Notice that if you simply remove the jack of spades from dummy, partner would probably bid game over the game try on his 8 count with QJx of your suit, and now game is absolutely awful and even 3 is down a ton of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Thanks all. The voting favors pass, which is what happened at the table. I posted this because it was a BBO teams board and the result at both tables was 2♠ +4 (!) for +230 and a push board. http://tinyurl.com/lgss9g Switch the north and south hands, and E/W lose 2 more tricks. If clubs split anything but ideally, OR opening lead is a diamond, the diamond loser becomes unavoidable (given best defense, which I don't think is too hard to find.) It's not just the J♠, either. Lose the J♥ or the T♥ and you lose another trick, I think. Oops, just reread jdonn's post, and I think I plagiarized him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I really wonder why Josh is passing. Maybe he is getting old. YOu have 15 HCps, two doubeltons and just aces and supported kings. You have just 6 losers, what do you need more for an invitation? The only downside is the bad trump suit, but with Aces and kings anywhere else, I am still happy to invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill1157 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I think you should move (i.e. bid 3♥). But originally, i would open 1 NT. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I really wonder why Josh is passing. Maybe he is getting old. We must all be aging quite fast... or maybe it's just my pessimist side showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 The only downside is the bad trump suit And other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? This hand is a perfect example of why counting points and losers can not substitute for judgment. AKT8x ATxx xx Ax is WAY (WAY!) better of a hand than T8xxx ATxx AK Ax. Same points, same AKs, same losers. And I don't even have to be old to realize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 The only downside is the bad trump suit And other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? This hand is a perfect example of why counting points and losers can not substitute for judgment. AKT8x ATxx xx Ax is WAY (WAY!) better of a hand than T8xxx ATxx AK Ax. Same points, same AKs, same losers. And I don't even have to be old to realize it. Your nice judgement leads to 2 Spade +4 well done. I had enjoyed the play in 4 spade, thank you. What is the worst case scenario? Something like Qxx,Qxx,Qxx,xxxx opposite my hand? Oh wait, even then I may make 3 Spade. Your example hand is even better then the one we hold, because it has stronger trumps. But I guess anybody and his grandma will at least invite with AKxxx, QJx, QJx,KQ and this hand is not stronger then the example hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Your nice judgement leads to 2 Spade +4 well done. I had enjoyed the play in 4 spade, thank you. LOL. Well done! Want a cookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajm218 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 K&R evaluator has the hand at 16.25... Mind you Josh's hand is up at 18.85... Isn't 16.25 enough for an invite opp 8-10? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I guess I haven't mentioned but I would invite opposite 8-10. But why do you think that's what the raise was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I guess I haven't mentioned but I would invite opposite 8-10. But why do you think that's what the raise was?I agree all the points Josh has made so far. I was the 2♠ bidder at the table and I thought this hand was on the heavy side for a 2♠ raise. The bid could easily have been 3 HCP lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Nice set of hands here. Has anyone run a sim? For me, if playing constructive raises, I have to invite. But if playing my "normal" raises and Bergen (so that resp doesn't have 4 card support on this sequence) I just wimp it and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 I guess I haven't mentioned but I would invite opposite 8-10. But why do you think that's what the raise was?I agree all the points Josh has made so far. I was the 2♠ bidder at the table and I thought this hand was on the heavy side for a 2♠ raise. The bid could easily have been 3 HCP lighter.The system used is not mentioned.If playing sayc 2♠ can be lighter but playing 2/1 the lighter hands are shown via a forcing NT by many players.So I think 1♠-2♠ would be a good 7 to bad 10 raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=e&s=st8763hat64dakca9]133|100|Scoring: IMPBidding goes:East South West NorthPass - 1♠ - pass - 2♠Pass - ??[/hv] pass..did i miss? ok ok I open 1n....offshape often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Thanks all. The voting favors pass, which is what happened at the table. I posted this because it was a BBO teams board and the result at both tables was 2♠ +4 (!) for +230 and a push board. http://tinyurl.com/lgss9g Switch the north and south hands, and E/W lose 2 more tricks. If clubs split anything but ideally, OR opening lead is a diamond, the diamond loser becomes unavoidable (given best defense, which I don't think is too hard to find.) It's not just the J♠, either. Lose the J♥ or the T♥ and you lose another trick, I think. Oops, just reread jdonn's post, and I think I plagiarized him. Yes. I would have passed. Would pass again, this is an odds against game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 If a partnership were playing constructive raises it is the sort of hand that a person wants to make a move. You could catch the right sort of hand, yet at the same time you would have to ask yourself how comfortable you will be at the 3 level facing soft trumps. As there sort of person who hates to miss games I would try, have my "I'm sorry pard" card ready. Opposite a hand that may not be constructive it's not even close for me. Bottom line is I need a solid H support position in addition to decent trumps, all this for what might be 6 imps swing? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I also open 1NT, as I do with most 4-4-3-2 15 counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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