dailo Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Please refer to the hand diagram:http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...P3HP4CP6CP7CPPP Please comment on the bidding. Has someone overbid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 After 4♣ both partner's were punishing each other. But North started it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 I can sympathise with 6♣ if NS are playing lebensohl. 7♣ is terrible though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 3♥ was the first overbid that started the mess imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Bidding was fine until 7c...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 My personal taste is to bid 4♦ with the South hand, but I don't mind the 4♣ call. After that it seems like North bid 6 for no reason (should bid 5, consistent with a minimum cuebid) and then South bid 7 for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailo Posted June 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 OK, let's me explain my thought. I am South. The first two bid of mine is forced, so when my partner jump to 6♣, I think my partner think that we can make 6♣ without the trump K. Now I have the trump K plus the J (the singleton spade is also a push factor), so I bid 7. IMO, I think North should bid 5♣ but not 6, his two forcing bid has already shown his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 OK, let's me explain my thought. I am South. The first two bid of mine is forced, so when my partner jump to 6♣, I think my partner think that we can make 6♣ without the trump K. Now I have the trump K plus the J (the singleton spade is also a push factor), so I bid 7. IMO, I think North should bid 5♣ but not 6, his two forcing bid has already shown his value. Not sure what you mean your bids are forced. Your bids show something, not nothing. You bid your hand, partner trusted your bids and jumps to 6c....you have nothing extra. I am guessing you thought your bids showed nothing and over 6c you thought you had a huge hand with huge extras...no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailo Posted June 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Not sure what you mean your bids are forced. Your bids show something, not nothing. You bid your hand, partner trusted your bids and jumps to 6c....you have nothing extra. Sorry, let me clarify my point. I mean even I have no HCP I am still "forced" to bid something. The Clubs KJ10 is extra value IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailo Posted June 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 One more question:If partner bid 5♣ instead of 6, should I bid 6♣? And why? Is there any different between the 6♣ bid and the 7♣ bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 I am South. The first two bid of mine is forced, so when my partner jump to 6♣, I think my partner think that we can make 6♣ without the trump K. Now I have the trump K plus the J (the singleton spade is also a push factor), so I bid 7. I don't like this logic. My thinking would be that if all partner needed was the ♣K for 7, he would have cuebid instead of jumping to slam. The auction as given is more consistent with a gambler betting you will have at least one thing of value in your hand. (not that his hand matches that description either, his actual hand suggests that he is really looking for two or three things of value). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Not sure what you mean your bids are forced. Your bids show something, not nothing. You bid your hand, partner trusted your bids and jumps to 6c....you have nothing extra. I am guessing you thought your bids showed nothing and over 6c you thought you had a huge hand with huge extras...no. If they're not playing Lebensohl, his bids don't show anything but his shape. Based on his other response, I don't think he's playing Lebensohl. But maybe his partner is. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Not sure what you mean your bids are forced. Your bids show something, not nothing. You bid your hand, partner trusted your bids and jumps to 6c....you have nothing extra. I am guessing you thought your bids showed nothing and over 6c you thought you had a huge hand with huge extras...no. If they're not playing Lebensohl, his bids don't show anything but his shape. Based on his other response, I don't think he's playing Lebensohl. But maybe his partner is. :( I disagree. I think if you have zero points....and not playing Leb you bid 3d and then 4d with this shape. Given that........3d and then 4c shows something..... Not playing leb you need some way to show a little something after partner rebids 3h. In any event I assume Leb for this auction. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 OK, let's me explain my thought. I am South. The first two bid of mine is forced, so when my partner jump to 6♣, I think my partner think that we can make 6♣ without the trump K. Now I have the trump K plus the J (the singleton spade is also a push factor), so I bid 7. IMO, I think North should bid 5♣ but not 6, his two forcing bid has already shown his value. I'm not saying your partner should have done what he did, but your logic doesn't work at the table. When partner jumps to a slam he is almost always taking a chance on something, sometimes even more than one thing. He almost never has the 12 rock solid tricks where if you give him one it makes 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailo Posted June 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Thanks for the replies. :) Right, I've neglected one point. When people jump to 6 he usually won't have 12 tricks. he expects something from partner. So my partner should have presupposed I have something. I don't have agree with this partner so I don't assume we are using Lebensohl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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