pippo13 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=b&n=shaq1093dqj3cj10982&s=sa72hj54dak10caq75]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]I was sitting South. The bid went: E=pass / S=1NT / W=2♠ / N=2NT / E= 3♠ / S= 3NT / W=pass / N=4♥ / pass pass pass.I bid 3NT because I thought my partner had a stop in spades, no 4-card majors and probably stops elsewhere. We had no particular agreements.My partner objected, saying that 2NT was an interrogative about minors, and that it is a very usual bid.My questions:1) Is that so?2) Even if it is so, wasn't it better for north to bid 3♥ after West's 2♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 1. Without prior discussion for B/Is 2 NT is natural and invitational. With discussion this could be better used as scrambling or Lebensohl. Opposite an unknown expert I would always assume Lebensohl. 3. 3 HEart had been good as long as it had been forcing. I do not know what standard is, so I had doubled and bid Hearts to show a forcing hand with hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 3♥ would be forcing for most people and I see no reason to bid 2NT with the North hand, no matter what he thought it meant. I don't like Codo(Roland)'s idea of doubling with the North hand. Even if it is take out (which not everybody plays), you shouldn't double with a void in spades as opener may pass with four spades. If playing negative doubles, dbl followed by 3♥ would be nonforcing. Of course you can play it the other way round but I certainly wouldn't assume that with an unknown partner. If I was afraid that 3♥ was nonforcing I would bid 4♥ with the north hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Your partner is not correct. 2NT is usually played as lebensohl. I don't hink this is beyond a Beginner/Intermediate. Anyway, 3H would be forcing and that is what your partner should have bid. I take it you made 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Agree with helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 So always willing to learn: He should have bid 3 ♥ as obviously all know that this is forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 PD should just bid a GF 3♥ here, just like us oldtimers did in ancient times before transfers if there had been no overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Your partner is not correct. 2NT is usually played as lebensohl. I don't hink this is beyond a Beginner/Intermediate. Anyway, 3H would be forcing and that is what your partner should have bid. I take it you made 6? Simple lebensohl is not to difficult for B/I. From my experience, what confuses them is remembering the concepts of whether fast or slow actions slow stoppers, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Your partner is not correct. 2NT is usually played as lebensohl. I don't hink this is beyond a Beginner/Intermediate. Anyway, 3H would be forcing and that is what your partner should have bid. I take it you made 6? Simple lebensohl is not to difficult for B/I. From my experience, what confuses them is remembering the concepts of whether fast or slow actions slow stoppers, however. Lebensohl isn't beyond B/I. This B/I, though, has many other things to nail down before I add one optional convention to my game. B) V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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