luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 did he respond because of the criticism? would he have said anything without it? his remarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 His reaction to this is the most overreported story of the last week. Btw since when do you read so much msnbc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 that's where my browser goes when i log out of hotmail :( ... is it not a more important story than his swatting of a fly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Well, the story is another reminder for how glad we can be that McCain is not president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 true... mccain probably would have said something sooner - God forbid that should have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 "I need you to let this guy off with a warning." "A WARNING?! What kind of warning?" "A stern warning." -Crash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 that's where my browser goes when i log out of hotmail :( ... is it not a more important story than his swatting of a fly? I think you can come up with a slightly higher standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 is that a yes or a no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I believe it's specifically an "anyone who cares whether it's a yes or a no is an idiot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 The timing of the rhetoric makes no difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I believe it's specifically an "anyone who cares whether it's a yes or a no is an idiot." maybe you're right, although there are a lot of people writing and talking about it - of course they could just ask you if they should do so rather than risk having you think of them as idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 true... mccain probably would have said something sooner - God forbid that should have happened Lol, did you actually follow the discussion? McCain wanted Obama to say s.th. completely different than what Obama said today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 who cares. can we nuke them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 The timinig is not so important, but the content. He cares not to give the iranian opposition unintentionally smthg like a verbal "Kiss of Death". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I believe it's specifically an "anyone who cares whether it's a yes or a no is an idiot." maybe you're right, although there are a lot of people writing and talking about it - of course they could just ask you if they should do so rather than risk having you think of them as idiots I don't recall saying that anyone who writes or talks about Obama's response to Iran is an idiot, please show me where I said that? Then please show me any other person who asked whether Obama's response to Iran or his response to the fly is a more important issue. If you do I will reitterate that he or she is an idiot, which is what I actually said. Now I know why you almost always try to direct the conversation to your points and the questions you are asking, because if you try to respond to other peoples' points or questions you have difficulty following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Agree with Tim. Almost agree with Josh, but I think the fly swat was more over-reported, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 true... mccain probably would have said something sooner - God forbid that should have happened Lol, did you actually follow the discussion? McCain wanted Obama to say s.th. completely different than what Obama said today.lol yes i know that I believe it's specifically an "anyone who cares whether it's a yes or a no is an idiot." maybe you're right, although there are a lot of people writing and talking about it - of course they could just ask you if they should do so rather than risk having you think of them as idiots I don't recall saying that anyone who writes or talks about Obama's response to Iran is an idiot, please show me where I said that? Then please show me any other person who asked whether Obama's response to Iran or his response to the fly is a more important issue. If you do I will reitterate that he or she is an idiot, which is what I actually said. Now I know why you almost always try to direct the conversation to your points and the questions you are asking, because if you try to respond to other peoples' points or questions you have difficulty following.pay attention josh... when i say a lot of people are writing and talking about "it" i'm referring specifically to your post - people are writing and talking about whether or not obama (blessed be his name) should have spoken earlier on the issue.. you said (i think, i'm having difficulty following) that anyone who cares about that is an idiot... a lot of people do care, but maybe they're all idiots.. as for the fly thingy, i simply asked whether or not that story was more important.. anybody who thinks it is is an idiot (no offense)"I need you to let this guy off with a warning." "A WARNING?! What kind of warning?" "A stern warning." -Crashthe sterner the better - sort of like the u.n. passing a non-binding resolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 when i say a lot of people are writing and talking about "it" i'm referring specifically to your post - people are writing and talking about whether or not obama (blessed be his name) should have spoken earlier on the issue.. you said (i think, i'm having difficulty following) that anyone who cares about that is an idiot... You are indeed having difficulty following, because I did not say that. I'm not going to keep going back and quoting so either go back and reread carefully what was said and who is being called an idiot, or else continue to be confused, perhaps without even realizing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 continue to be confused, perhaps without even realizing it. Hello? I thought I heard someone call my name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Have the Republican party and its leadership ever been less in touch or less relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Anyone remember the international "concerns" voiced during the Watt's riots or after the DNC convention in Chicago in '68? Didn't think so. Only because Iran is a focus of interest (read oil) is it a point of contention. Israel is more likely in need of "control" regarding future developments but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Iran is one of the few oil-producing Middle East democracies. The US has a Supreme Court that can overrule the Executive and Legislative branches. So they (Iran) officially mix religion and politics. (The US does in a less official but very effective way.) It was a choice and despotism continues throughout the world so wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Iran is one of the few oil-producing Middle East democracies. The US has a Supreme Court that can overrule the Executive and Legislative branches. So they (Iran) officially mix religion and politics. (The US does in a less official but very effective way.) And, as so many Americans remind me, the US isn't a democracy, either. Remember when Kim Jong-Il and Breshnev were elected? Doesn't mean their countries were democracies. Technically, Iran is a theocracy. Any democractic or pseudo-democratic processes being implemented or attempted in that country are secondary to the absolute power of the theocracy. FWIW, I think the most interesting story here isn't the election fraud, or the protests thereof, but the potential drop in popularity of the theocratic rule of the Ayatollah. My limited understanding of the situation is that the theocracy itself was extremely popular before the election. Granted, absolute power rulers are often only popular due to their power to limit free expression (i.e. hide the truth), but suddenly, internal political disgreements in Iran are being heard in more than just a whisper. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 My limited understanding of the situation is that the theocracy itself was extremely popular before the election. Khatami was democratically elected, too. There has always been substantial popular support for both wings of the Iranian revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 FWIW, I think the most interesting story here isn't the election fraud, or the protests thereof, but the potential drop in popularity of the theocratic rule of the Ayatollah. For me, it's the incredible positive energy that the events and responses have produced so far and the moderating effects they are already having on the way Iran is governed and their ripple effects beyond Iran. Repressiveness is still thriving, but its agents and their authority are losing their grip in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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