CSGibson Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=b&n=s74hj3dkq965ckt65&s=sa983hat762dj873c]133|200|Scoring: IMPP-(1♠)-2♦-(X),2♠-(3♣)-P-(P),4♣-(X)*-4♦-(P),5♦-(P)-P-X,All pass *suggesting that partner should not lead a club[/hv] We were able to get out of it for down 1 when Hx of hearts was with West and diamonds were 2-2, but it was still not a great result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I wouldn't have overcalled 2♦, but the later auction deserves scrutiny. When North passed over 3♣, did that show a worse hand than bidding 3♦? When North bid 4♦ over double, did that show a worse hand than passing? If the answer to both questions is yes (which would be surprising), then South effectively raised 2♦ to 5♦, which seems a bit too much. If North, in fact, showed interest with one of these actions, I blame North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I wouldn't have overcalled 2♦, but the later auction deserves scrutiny. When North passed over 3♣, did that show a worse hand than bidding 3♦? When North bid 4♦ over double, did that show a worse hand than passing? If the answer to both questions is yes (which would be surprising), then South effectively raised 2♦ to 5♦, which seems a bit too much. If North, in fact, showed interest with one of these actions, I blame North. Passing showed a better hand than 3♦ would. 4♦ was weaker than passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 2♦ was obviously a joke. And since I think, regardless of the details of how it went, south does have a (clear!) game force opposite a 2 level overcall in diamonds, the blame is 100% north. Also, though I've never discussed it, it seems clear to me that north's pass over the double of 4♣ would not be suggestive of hand strength. You get to do that once per auction (over 3♣ in this case), not some unlimited amount of times where you narrow your strength to infinitly small ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 2♦ was obviously a joke. And since I think, regardless of the details of how it went, south does have a (clear!) game force opposite a 2 level overcall in diamonds, the blame is 100% north. Also, though I've never discussed it, it seems clear to me that north's pass over the double of 4♣ would not be suggestive of hand strength. You get to do that once per auction (over 3♣ in this case), not some unlimited amount of times where you narrow your strength to infinitly small ranges. I think pass over 4 clubs invites partner to XX with first round control or cue-bid again, and establishes slam interest, which is why I said that 4 diamonds is weaker. Maybe that isn't sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Considering north passed over 3♣, supposedly showing extras, that sort of agreement should not be in the hands of this partnership anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Considering north passed over 3♣, supposedly showing extras, that sort of agreement should not be in the hands of this partnership anyway. How North can pass over 3♣ if that shows extras is beyond me. I am also not overcalling 2♦ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMor Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 South cue bid twice. That was enough, wasn't it. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 North. Started the mess with the overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 The north hand isn't even close to a vulnerable overcall. Facing a reasonable overcall, south has a clear GF. It's not hard to find a normal hand for north were slam is very good, you might in fact have a grand. Whatever happened after the overcall, north is 100% to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 You must be joking with this 2♦ bid. Good players know how to use the pass card. Overcalling 2m on POS is one of the areas where n00bs get what's coming to them most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 The north hand isn't even close to a vulnerable overcall. Facing a reasonable overcall, south has a clear GF. It's not hard to find a normal hand for north were slam is very good, you might in fact have a grand. Whatever happened after the overcall, north is 100% to blame. This is very sensible... I agree with Harald and with Josh, whose post was much the same, tho more strongly worded Anyone who blames South must bid like North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Anyone who blames South must bid like North. Lol I like that, it's a good answer to many of the ATB problems, just rearranging the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 North's 2♦ is not bridge. He gets the full blame. South has a normal gameforce, at others also have pointed out. That being said, I don't understand what south's bidding was showing?! 2♠ was a diamond raise, but what about either splintering at some point or introduce hearts?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Obviously the 2♦ bid was unbelievably bad, so bad that I am not sure why this hand was posted. Didn't pay much attention to the long rest of the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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