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[hv=d=s&v=b&n=s74hj3dkq965ckt65&s=sa983hat762dj873c]133|200|Scoring: IMP

P-(1)-2-(X),

2-(3)-P-(P),

4-(X)*-4-(P),

5-(P)-P-X,

All pass

 

*suggesting that partner should not lead a club[/hv]

 

We were able to get out of it for down 1 when Hx of hearts was with West and diamonds were 2-2, but it was still not a great result.

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I wouldn't have overcalled 2, but the later auction deserves scrutiny.

 

When North passed over 3, did that show a worse hand than bidding 3?

 

When North bid 4 over double, did that show a worse hand than passing?

 

If the answer to both questions is yes (which would be surprising), then South effectively raised 2 to 5, which seems a bit too much. If North, in fact, showed interest with one of these actions, I blame North.

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I wouldn't have overcalled 2, but the later auction deserves scrutiny.

 

When North passed over 3, did that show a worse hand than bidding 3?

 

When North bid 4 over double, did that show a worse hand than passing?

 

If the answer to both questions is yes (which would be surprising), then South effectively raised 2 to 5, which seems a bit too much.  If North, in fact, showed interest with one of these actions, I blame North.

Passing showed a better hand than 3 would. 4 was weaker than passing.

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2 was obviously a joke. And since I think, regardless of the details of how it went, south does have a (clear!) game force opposite a 2 level overcall in diamonds, the blame is 100% north.

 

Also, though I've never discussed it, it seems clear to me that north's pass over the double of 4 would not be suggestive of hand strength. You get to do that once per auction (over 3 in this case), not some unlimited amount of times where you narrow your strength to infinitly small ranges.

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2 was obviously a joke. And since I think, regardless of the details of how it went, south does have a (clear!) game force opposite a 2 level overcall in diamonds, the blame is 100% north.

 

Also, though I've never discussed it, it seems clear to me that north's pass over the double of 4 would not be suggestive of hand strength. You get to do that once per auction (over 3 in this case), not some unlimited amount of times where you narrow your strength to infinitly small ranges.

I think pass over 4 clubs invites partner to XX with first round control or cue-bid again, and establishes slam interest, which is why I said that 4 diamonds is weaker. Maybe that isn't sensible.

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Considering north passed over 3, supposedly showing extras, that sort of agreement should not be in the hands of this partnership anyway.

How North can pass over 3 if that shows extras is beyond me. I am also not overcalling 2 here.

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The north hand isn't even close to a vulnerable overcall.

 

Facing a reasonable overcall, south has a clear GF. It's not hard to find a normal hand for north were slam is very good, you might in fact have a grand.

 

Whatever happened after the overcall, north is 100% to blame.

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The north hand isn't even close to a vulnerable overcall.

 

Facing a reasonable overcall, south has a clear GF. It's not hard to find a normal hand for north were slam is very good, you might in fact have a grand.

 

Whatever happened after the overcall, north is 100% to blame.

This is very sensible... I agree with Harald and with Josh, whose post was much the same, tho more strongly worded

 

Anyone who blames South must bid like North.

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North's 2 is not bridge. He gets the full blame. South has a normal gameforce, at others also have pointed out.

 

That being said, I don't understand what south's bidding was showing?! 2 was a diamond raise, but what about either splintering at some point or introduce hearts?!

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