Rules Against Rude Manners

[qwery_hi]

wow   that was the best you could come up with after thinking for nearly two days?LOL

Yeah, I was busy playing chess with your mom

Quality.

Indeed, some combinations would have made Kasparov proud.

[Elianna]

The title of the thread is Rules against rude manners and I think the original poster AAr has perhaps well proved his point...well at least to me. If one reads the entire thread I say to myself if its allowed on here why not on table? Of course on here no one is being rude...they are being sarcastic, patronising, someone said stupid, insensitive but rude no way...No rudeness in this thread!!!!! Here we are just trying to gently put our point of view across to our fellow posters. On the bridge table heaven forbid we allow what AAr is suggesting but here...well here its not the table there we will never be patronising to our opps but here its different. Of course accuse anyone of even bordering on rudeness here I know someone will snap my head of cause really I bet no one thinks they are actually being rude! But...well read the whole thing and maybe....

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge.

[qwery_hi]

The title of the thread is Rules against rude manners and I think the original poster AAr has perhaps well proved his point...well at least to me. If one reads the entire thread I say to myself if its allowed on here why not on table? Of course on here no one is being rude...they are being sarcastic, patronising, someone said stupid, insensitive but rude no way...No rudeness in this thread!!!!! Here we are just trying to gently put our point of view across to our fellow posters. On the bridge table heaven forbid we allow what AAr is suggesting but here...well here its not the table there we will never be patronising to our opps but here its different. Of course accuse anyone of even bordering on rudeness here I know someone will snap my head of cause really I bet no one thinks they are actually being rude! But...well read the whole thing and maybe....

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge.

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge. * or IRL *

[Elianna]

The title of the thread is Rules against rude manners and I think the original poster AAr has perhaps well proved his point...well at least to me. If one reads the entire thread I say to myself if its allowed on here why not on table? Of course on here no one is being rude...they are being sarcastic, patronising, someone said stupid, insensitive but rude no way...No rudeness in this thread!!!!! Here we are just trying to gently put our point of view across to our fellow posters. On the bridge table heaven forbid we allow what AAr is suggesting but here...well here its not the table there we will never be patronising to our opps but here its different. Of course accuse anyone of even bordering on rudeness here I know someone will snap my head of cause really I bet no one thinks they are actually being rude! But...well read the whole thing and maybe....

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge.

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge. * or IRL *

How true.

[Trinidad]

The title of the thread is Rules against rude manners and I think the original poster AAr has perhaps well proved his point...well at least to me. If one reads the entire thread I say to myself if its allowed on here why not on table? Of course on here no one is being rude...they are being sarcastic, patronising, someone said stupid, insensitive but rude no way...No rudeness in this thread!!!!! Here we are just trying to gently put our point of view across to our fellow posters. On the bridge table heaven forbid we allow what AAr is suggesting but here...well here its not the table there we will never be patronising to our opps but here its different. Of course accuse anyone of even bordering on rudeness here I know someone will snap my head of cause really I bet no one thinks they are actually being rude! But...well read the whole thing and maybe....

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge.

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge. * or IRL *

How true.

Just to clarify: Rudeness may not be forbidden IRL, but it is forbidden IRL bridge. Players who have forgotten that should write Law 74A 1 and 2 10 times over. They can take it to their parents and have them sign it after which they can hand it in to the TD.

 

Law 74 A 1 and 2 state:

LAW 74 - CONDUCT AND ETIQUETTE

A. Proper Attitude

1. A player should maintain a courteous attitude at all times.

2. A player should carefully avoid any remark or action that might

cause annoyance or embarrassment to another player or might

interfere with the enjoyment of the game.

I am fairly sure that the BBO management is of the opinion that this law is applicable, without any restrictions, to online bridge at BBO.

 

Rik

[qwery_hi]

Indeed - this is exactly why a wdp or a wdo may be considered against the laws. Chatting away after a hand has been played also may interfere with an opponents enjoyment of the game.

[blackshoe]

I have played with and against players who seem predisposed to consider just about anything as interfering with their enjoyment of the game.

[mycroft]

I have as well; but I have also heard complaints from players who just sat for things that really, truly did interfere with their enjoyment of the game, and limited their effort to asking that it stop, and seething when it didn't.

 

Just last week, in fact.

[Elianna]

The title of the thread is Rules against rude manners and I think the original poster AAr has perhaps well proved his point...well at least to me. If one reads the entire thread I say to myself if its allowed on here why not on table? Of course on here no one is being rude...they are being sarcastic, patronising, someone said stupid, insensitive but rude no way...No rudeness in this thread!!!!! Here we are just trying to gently put our point of view across to our fellow posters. On the bridge table heaven forbid we allow what AAr is suggesting but here...well here its not the table there we will never be patronising to our opps but here its different. Of course accuse anyone of even bordering on rudeness here I know someone will snap my head of cause really I bet no one thinks they are actually being rude! But...well read the whole thing and maybe....

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge.

Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're certain people) rudeness is not forbidden in the forums or IRL bridge. * or IRL *

How true.

Just to clarify: Rudeness may not be forbidden IRL, but it is forbidden IRL bridge. Players who have forgotten that should write Law 74A 1 and 2 10 times over. They can take it to their parents and have them sign it after which they can hand it in to the TD.

 

Law 74 A 1 and 2 state:

LAW 74 - CONDUCT AND ETIQUETTE

A. Proper Attitude

1. A player should maintain a courteous attitude at all times.

2. A player should carefully avoid any remark or action that might

cause annoyance or embarrassment to another player or might

interfere with the enjoyment of the game.

I am fairly sure that the BBO management is of the opinion that this law is applicable, without any restrictions, to online bridge at BBO.

 

Rik

Oh please! I've had opponents swearing at me in front of the director, and nothing has happened. Those rules seem to be unenforced.

[onoway]

People who are determined to be rude are like people who are determined to cheat; equally self involved and sure the universe OUGHT to revolve around their interests, and therefore equally impossible to stop, as they see no reason why they should.

 

Most people on BBO imo aren't like that, most I think are likely rude by accident; a misunderstanding of some sort, perhaps a comment missent, perhaps sometimes a comment made in the heat of the moment after a series of stressful hands, who knows? However, The TD's have a responsibility to deal with rudeness in tourneys, whatever the reason for it happening. Being a TD involves more than finding subs and announcing winners, and sometimes it can be uncomfortable but that's no excuse for allowing any players to be sworn at, for example.

 

I played in one tourney where someone was summarilly evicted from the tourney for a highly inappropriate remark made in tourney chat, almost as soon as it came up in chat. No fuss, no muss, no waste of time. It seemed a fine resolution, and hopefully will lead to some understanding on the part of the offender that such behaviour carries a cost.

 

If someone is consistently rude I suppose they will eventually find themselves banned from most if not all tourneys. It's also possible to report them to BBO Abuse but it's likely just as effective to mark them enemy/waste of time and go about your business. It's not worth the miniscule amount of energy it takes to do anything else, beyond perhaps feel a small degree of pity for how unhappy their lives must be, that they feel it necessary to try to make other people unhappy as well.

[the hog]

Indeed - this is exactly why a wdp or a wdo may be considered against the laws. Chatting away after a hand has been played also may interfere with an opponents enjoyment of the game.

Quite frankly, I think a "wdp" is crass, certainly a "wpp" after the opps have blundered is really rude.. You should play exactly like in f2f. I say nothing at any time, except call for the cards. Don't even thank pd for the dummy - why?

The only time I say anything is when the opps are fighting, and then I agree with both of them to stir the pot.

[jillybean]

wdp/nto, ntp/wdo has become an online etiquette for some, automatic and usualy completely meaningless. Its irritating and sometimes I'll comment on it but I'm probably better just to ignore it.

 

I have no problems with players who can recognise a well played hand saying so,

at the club some partners will say a quiet 'well played or well defended' I dont see anything wrong with this.

 

Ron, I always thank my partner for dummy and so do my partners. This is automatic, a thank you for laying the cards down rather than the missing cards theyve promised in the bidding. This is where you are legally allowed to use tone and body language to convey a message to your partner :P

[the hog]

wdp/nto, ntp/wdo has become an online etiquette for some, automatic and usualy completely meaningless. Its irritating and sometimes I'll comment on it but I'm probably better just to ignore it.

 

I have no problems with players who can recognise a well played hand saying so,

at the club some partners will say a quiet 'well played or well defended' I dont see anything wrong with this.

 

Ron, I always thank my partner for dummy and so do my partners. This is automatic, a thank you for laying the cards down rather than the missing cards theyve promised in the bidding. This is where you are legally allowed to use tone and body language to convey a message to your partner :)

I know a lot of players do this Kathryn. My partners and I don't. just a habit.

[JoAnneM]

Indeed - this is exactly why a wdp or a wdo  may be considered against the laws. Chatting away after a hand has been played also may interfere with an opponents enjoyment of the game.

Quite frankly, I think a "wdp" is crass, certainly a "wpp" after the opps have blundered is really rude.. You should play exactly like in f2f. I say nothing at any time, except call for the cards. Don't even thank pd for the dummy - why?

The only time I say anything is when the opps are fighting, and then I agree with both of them to stir the pot.

I ALWAYS greet the opponents whether I am arriving at the table or they are coming to my table. And I even interrupt their discussion of the previous hand to do so because I don't want them to be talking about it. I know I already played the hands they just played (unless it is a Howell) but it's a new table.

 

Saying hello and goodbye is just part of being nice and it takes little effort. Sometimes people act surprised by it but I have never had anyone respond negatively.

[mycroft]

I always thank partner for dummy and wish him luck when I put down dummy. I, again, believe it should be an all-or-nothing thing. But I've learned that it's good to sound like partner dropped all the fitters in exactly the hand I expected, especially if he didn't. I may still get the zero, but it frequently plays one trick better than the "where's the hand you held in the bidding?" brigade.

 

On a side note, I frequently run team games on American Whist League movements. Wonderful movement, everything Just Works, except for one thing, which I try to make clear to everybody:

 

"The boards you're talking about on the change are the boards your new opponents will be playing next round. Please don't post-mortem past the change."

[helene_t]

Oh please! I've had opponents swearing at me in front of the director, and nothing has happened. Those rules seem to be unenforced.

Of course it usually isn't enforced, but this happened two years ago in Pula:

 

TD: What's the problem?

Oldplayer: This gentleman told me ***** you.

TD: Is that correct?

Youngplayer: Yes

TD: Please apology.

Youngplayer: If Oldplayer apologies for not alerting his partner's double, I will apology for insulting him.

After a long discussion the TD managed to get both of them to apology.

[qwery_hi]

Indeed - this is exactly why a wdp or a wdo  may be considered against the laws. Chatting away after a hand has been played also may interfere with an opponents enjoyment of the game.

Quite frankly, I think a "wdp" is crass, certainly a "wpp" after the opps have blundered is really rude.. You should play exactly like in f2f. I say nothing at any time, except call for the cards. Don't even thank pd for the dummy - why?

The only time I say anything is when the opps are fighting, and then I agree with both of them to stir the pot.

There are quite a few similarities to cricket, where initially the British marketed it as a gentleman's game, but then sledging happened, fines were imposed, and now everyone accepts that sledging is part of the game and life goes on.

 

What I've seen is a holier-than-thou attitude is very prevalent among bridge players. When you think about it, it is the only team sport I know where congratulating your teammate is frowned up. Take beach-volleyball or doubles-tennis or ping-pong or what have you - the two partners fire each other up routinely and the opponents don't regard this as an insult to them. But since Bridge Players are Better Than Them , it is frowned upon to do this. As an aside, some of the best friends I have made were my fiercest competitors across the net.

[McBruce]

I'm not sure I completely agree with this.

 

Wimbledon doubles final, Smith & Smyth vs Jones and Jaunes, final set, 6-6, deuce. Smith serves, Jones makes a great return, Smyth reaches for a volley and hits it off the end of the racket, up in the air and dribbling over the net down the middle, bouncing five feet and waiting to be smashed. Jones and Jaunes both call for it, then try to call one another, then both lunge for it and dive headlong into one another and the ball hits the ground along with both players.

 

If Smith and Smyth now congratulate one another with an audacious high five, as though this was a great strategic masterpiece brilliantly executed, they had better be a fairly low seed or the Wimbledon committee will not be inviting them back next year.

 

Point being that one needs to be aware that wdp has the potential to sound like an insult to the opponents if they have made errors in the play. It's not the same as the automatic glp or typ. Far better to follow it up with a specific comment on what partner did well, to not give the impression that you are sticking it to the opponents.

[qwery_hi]

I'm not sure I completely agree with this.

 

Wimbledon doubles final, Smith & Smyth vs Jones and Jaunes, final set, 6-6, deuce. Smith serves, Jones makes a great return, Smyth reaches for a volley and hits it off the end of the racket, up in the air and dribbling over the net down the middle, bouncing five feet and waiting to be smashed. Jones and Jaunes both call for it, then try to call one another, then both lunge for it and dive headlong into one another and the ball hits the ground along with both players.

 

If Smith and Smyth now congratulate one another with an audacious high five, as though this was a great strategic masterpiece brilliantly executed, they had better be a fairly low seed or the Wimbledon committee will not be inviting them back next year.

 

Point being that one needs to be aware that wdp has the potential to sound like an insult to the opponents if they have made errors in the play. It's not the same as the automatic glp or typ. Far better to follow it up with a specific comment on what partner did well, to not give the impression that you are sticking it to the opponents.

So you partially agree? Also I think you misunderstood "fire each other up".

[gwnn]

Each year in Wimbledon hundreds of thousands of tennis players display joyful expressions, much like a football (soccer) player on scoring, after their opps make stupid mistakes in crucial points. Nothing is done about it and it's spreading like an evil disease.

[matmat]

Each year in Wimbledon hundreds of thousands of tennis players display joyful expressions, much like a football (soccer) player on scoring, after their opps make stupid mistakes in crucial points. Nothing is done about it and it's spreading like an evil disease.

people have no class.

[allspice]

I've been TDing lately about 2 or 3 Free tournaments a day (B4F - Irish Eyes - Rush Tournament - Nothing Else to Play) and I can assure you that sometimes I think I am back in Kindergarden!!! Unbelievable the calls you receive on this issues. Please keep in mind that many players don't speak a fluent English, and literal translations (as provided by Google -many use this feature) sometimes might sound rude or not polite, but its not what the "writer" meant. Also, when in writting the phrase has the "tone" of the reader's mood, not of the writer's. Think of a phrase and say it with different tones and it completely changes the sense (try with wdp just for an example). I've had to deal with hundreds of misunderstandings (and not misunderstandings) which is the hardest job a TD has: you must rely on he said she said... (except when you don't have the GIB to ajust hands on a clocked tournament <_<)!

Veronica - allspice