mtvesuvius Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 All Vul at IMPs you hold: xAKTxAK9xAJTx You deal:1♦ - (1♠) - X - (3♠*)??*Weak How do you show this, or do you just accept it, and bid 4♥? Sorry if this is wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 5♥ feels about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 4♠, followed by 5♥. That invites slam and shows spade control. A direct 5♥ invites slam but denies a spade control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 4♠ then 5♥ if you are going to, but I accept it and just bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I'd take a shot, through the 4♠ route, but I've got a bit of the Barefoot Optimist in me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Bidding 4 ♥ with this hand is a not showing this hand. So I bid 4♠.But what to do after the possible rebids from partner? Is 5 ♥ enough after his possible 5 ♣ call?What shall we do after the expected 5♥ bid? I think we must pass but what shall partner do with at most one KC? There are not many hands which allow him to cooperate with no red first and second round control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 4♠, but I don't know why followed by 5♥. What if partner bids 5♥? And if he bids 5♣, why would I bid 5♥? I think I'll just take 5♣/5♥ to 6, but over 5♦ I might try 5♥, :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 What would double show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 4♠, but I don't know why followed by 5♥. What if partner bids 5♥? And if he bids 5♣, why would I bid 5♥? I think I'll just take 5♣/5♥ to 6, but over 5♦ I might try 5♥, ;) It depends what 4♠ means. If it promises heart support (as maybe it should), then 5♣ or 5♦ would be a cue bid. If 4♠ might also be a slam try with diamonds, or with both minors, then partner's 5♣ or 5♦ is just an attempt to play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 What would double show? Takeout, but not with four hearts - 1354, 2353, 2344, etc. I'd be quite worried about partner passing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 What would double show? Double is significant extras and asks p to bid 3NT with a spade stopper. It will often include 3-card heart support but I don't think it's a good idea to double with 4-card support. Partner will often pass the double when it's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 It depends what 4♠ means. If it promises heart support (as maybe it should), ....... If 4♠ might also be a slam try with diamonds, or with both minors, then partner's 5♣ or 5♦ is just an attempt to play there.Presumably, you would then have to bid 5H after partner's attempt to play at the five-level in a minor to confirm that you really had 4 hearts. This seems fine if you are willing to play slam in a minor suit if the original negative double did not include four hearts (XXX XX QXX KQXXX). Maybe not so fine if XXX XXX QXX KQXX. I really dislike having to pass originally with those hands, but if the neg double guaranteed hearts and partner couldn't take a joke if i bid 1NT, no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 This seems fine if you are willing to play slam in a minor suit if the original negative double did not include four hearts (XXX XX QXX KQXXX). Maybe not so fine if XXX XXX QXX KQXX. I really dislike having to pass originally with those hands, but if the neg double guaranteed hearts and partner couldn't take a joke if i bid 1NT, no choice. This may not be mainstream, but I'd raise to 2♦ on either of those hands. Partner's about 100 times more likely to have five diamonds than three. Anyway, you certainly can't double on either. Negative doubles without the unbid major might be OK if you're strong enough to control the auction, but a balanced seven count doesn't qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 This seems fine if you are willing to play slam in a minor suit if the original negative double did not include four hearts (XXX XX QXX KQXXX). Maybe not so fine if XXX XXX QXX KQXX. I really dislike having to pass originally with those hands, but if the neg double guaranteed hearts and partner couldn't take a joke if i bid 1NT, no choice. This may not be mainstream, but I'd raise to 2♦ on either of those hands. Partner's about 100 times more likely to have five diamonds than three. Anyway, you certainly can't double on either. Negative doubles without the unbid major might be OK if you're strong enough to control the auction, but a balanced seven count doesn't qualify. I would pass on both, my major qualm with raising diamonds on 3+ is that partner holding any amount of diamonds 4+ may overcompete later in the auction. But it's certainly evident you can't double with those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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