paulg Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&e=sxhkt9xxdatckqxxx&s=stxxhaqxdqxxcajxx]266|200|Scoring: IMP1♦ 1♥1♠ 2♣!2♦ 3♣3♦ 5♦ Lead: ♣10[/hv] Partner leads the ♣10, which is NOT a doubleton (as you lead small from 10x including 109). Dummy plays the ♣Q and declarer follows when you play your ♣A. What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 If partner has led a singleton, then declarer is likely to be 4063, leaving 5521 for partner. I'm likely to score ♣J in this case, but there is a risk of being endplayed with ♦Q, for example if his hand is: ♠AKQx♥-♦KJxxxx♣9xx If I return ♠, declarer may win, ruff a ♠, play ♦A, ruff a ♥, play ♦K, noticing they are 3-2. Then ♠KQ and the last ♦ to me, forcing me to play a rounded suit. Conclusion: I'm still giving partner the ruff. Small ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I will return a club too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 But what if Declarer has the stiff Cl ? ( Could partner be leading from 3 cards: 10 9 x ? ) If so, then I need to know dummys spots . For example if Dummy is K Q 8 7 x, then returning a Cl allows Declarer to get rid of one of his/her Ht losers: Say Declarer is more like this: Opener ♠ A K Q x ♥ x x ♦ K J x x x x ♣ x Responder x K T 9 x x A T K Q 8 7 x On the 2nd Cl lead Partner has to put up the 9.Declarer leads the 3rd Rnd of Cl ... the 8 ... and ifyou don't cover with the J, s/he pitches the lastlosing Ht.If you do cover, then Declarer ruffs; takes the K, A of Diamremoving both trumps from partner.The last two Cl provide discards of the 2nd Ht and the losing Sp. Only two tricks lost: Cl Ace and Diam Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 So if Declarer has the stiff Cl ( as in my above post ), you must switch toa small trump at trick 2. Even if he can now dropyour Diam Q, he can only get rid of 1 of his 3 losers ( 1s,2h ) in hand. Your side gets 3 tricks total. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If your partner has the stiff Cl, ( ie 9 x x and a Ht void as in the post by Gerben) switch to a trump anyway.Declarer will lose another natural Cl and a Sp if he playsto drop your Diam Q. If he ruffs the losing Sp, you will win yourDiam Q. Your side again gets 3 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) If your partner has the stiff Cl, ( ie 9 x x and a Ht void as in the post by Gerben) switch to a trump anyway.Declarer will lose another natural Cl and a Sp if he playsto drop your Diam Q. If he ruffs the losing Sp, you will win yourDiam Q. Your side again gets 3 tricks. Declarer wins ♦10, ruffs a spade with ♦A, ruffs a heart, cashes ♦K, cashes the top spades, and endplays you with the third round of diamonds - it's just a slight variation on what Gerben described. Edited June 18, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) So if Declarer has the stiff Cl ( as in my above post ), you must switch toa small trump at trick 2. Even if he can now dropyour Diam Q, he can only get rid of 1 of his 3 losers ( 1s,2h ) in hand.That's not necessary, is it? We can just make the more natural play of a spade and leave declarer to go down peacefully. Edited June 18, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Partner will not lead for 3 low clubs when dummy is sure to have 5 of them. Even holding 3 baby H and t9x of clubs and no other lead its preferable to lead a H since opener with Hx in H would be happy to rebid 3H instead of 3D and responder will be happy to rebid 3H instead of 5D with 5 good H that are playable facing xx. So with this bidding its much more likely that declarer pitch H losers on clubs than the other way around. Im sure that partner got a stiff at least 95% of the time and I agree with Gerben that returning a non-club is asking to be endplayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Duh, thx... I see the endplay now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Partner will not lead for 3 low clubs when dummy is sure to have 5 of them. Even holding 3 baby H and t9x of clubs and no other lead its preferable to lead a H since opener with Hx in H would be happy to rebid 3H instead of 3D and responder will be happy to rebid 3H instead of 5D with 5 good H that are playable facing xx. So with this bidding its much more likely that declarer pitch H losers on clubs than the other way around. Im sure that partner got a stiff at least 95% of the time and I agree with Gerben that returning a non-club is asking to be endplayed.Agreed that partner should have a singleton club, and after all these comments I am still convinced the best return is a low club. However, a (late) thought that comes to mind is "If West is the hand approx that Gerben shows, why did West not bid 3♠ to investigate a 3NT declared by East?". As luck would have it, our ♦Qxx means that 3NT should be cold on a finesse even after a low spade opening lead. And after any other opening lead, it should be even easier to score 9 tricks in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted June 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Declarer held ♠AKQx♥x♦Jxxxxxx♣x and you need to cash the ♥A to beat the contract. As no-one mentioned this option, I'll blame the partner who led a club holding ♠Jxxxx♥Jxxx♦K♣T9x Although, despite benlessard's well-reasoned comment, I don't think I'll blame anyone too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 It's also necessary to cash a heart if he has AQJx x KJ9xxxx x. There is some reason for thinking declarer is 4-7: he chose to bid a moderate diamond suit for a third time, rather than bidding either 4♣ or 3♥. This might be easier at the table, where you'd have declarer's tempo over 3♣ to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I'll accept all apologies in advance from those who thought my suggestion was offbase that partner led the Cl 10 from : 10 9 x ... Too bad I didn't think of cashing the Ht Ace even if Declarer has 2 cards in Hts.He is going to get a discard anyway on the high Cl in dummy,so cashing the Ace doesn't hurt ( and eliminates any endplay situation ). THEN return a Sp ( as suggested by gnasher earlier ) and "wait" for your setting trick with the Diam Q . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think that opener 2D is a catch all bid and can show a balanced hand like AKQxxxKJxxxxx so when he rebid 3D hes showing repeating D for the first time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I am far from saying I would have gotten this right. But it does seem clear to me partner was far more likely to have T9x of clubs than a stiff club. I would not base my defense on partner holding a stiff club if it gave me worse chances opposite T9x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think that opener 2D is a catch all bid and can show a balanced hand like AKQxxxKJxxxxx so when he rebid 3D hes showing repeating D for the first time imo. Ben Lessard ( sry.. not Jdonn ) For the hand you show, you can make what Max Hardy ( author of TWO OVER ONE GAME FORCE ) calls: " The Least Plausible Bid" after 4th Suit Game Force in order to distinguish between a 5/6 or 4/4 hand for Opener. And that is a repeat of Spades in the original post: 1D - 1H 1S - 2C! 2S! = either a rare 5s/6d hand or a 4s/4d hand because of an equally rare problem rebid: -- no 3 cards Hts ( 2H ) -- no 4 cards Cl ( 3C ) -- no 5+ cards Diam ( 2D ) -- no stop in Hts ( 2NT ) If Opener rebids SPADES again, it is the 5s/6d hand. If Opener makes ANY other rebid, it is the 4s/4d hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 What hand did I show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 What hand did I show? it was your left hand I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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