Need for new forums?

[anssibragge]

Perhaps we'll need a new forum for people who need to express their "1-trick-away from world championship" feelings.

 

I'll start.

 

Just a moment ago an indy tournament ended. In the last round partner open 1S, it gets doubled, and I bid 2H as of course nonforcing.

 

What happens? Partner bids 3NT and it is *of course* -5 and I already told the whole tournament thanks for position 2.

 

Here are the tournament outsights and results....

 

http://www.bragge.org/bridge/BBO/indy_26052004.doc

 

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abe

[KiwiBridge]

In most people's eyes 2♥ would be 100% forcing, unless by a passed hand. In fact, in the sequence it should be alerted as non-forcing.

[inquiry]

In most people's eyes 2♥ would be 100% forcing, unless by a passed hand. In fact, in the sequence it should be alerted as non-forcing.

 

Thing like this happen all the time in individuals.. even good players have misunderstanding. Cause like kiwi and I said, 2♥ probably should be forcing... but the standard seems to be for it not to be.

 

ben

Hi. I am going to agree and disagree. I will agree that 2♥ should be forcing (and i will add it should be a transfer advance), but i will disagree that most people play it that way and that a non-forcing 2♥ has to be alerted.

 

In fact, in both BBO-advanced, and BBO-basic new suit at the two level over a double is non-forcing. So on the BBO, i would think that the "standard" is for it to be treated as non-forcing.

[KiwiBridge]

Thanks for that, we Kiwi's are not used to all the nuances. I remember watching a Kiwi reply 2♠ to his SAYC partner's 1NT, thinking that as it is here that it was a forcing range finder game try. When his pard dutifully replied 3♣ as SAYC specifies, my friend took that as showing a MAX NT with 4 ♣'s. Thus they reached 3NT, down many, which forced him to learn SAYC properly :blink:

 

Here in live bridge, where we mainly play Acol, 2♥ would be assumed to be 100% forcing, and thus mandatory to alert at the table if not.

[EricK]

Thanks for that, we Kiwi's are not used to all the nuances. I remember watching a Kiwi reply 2♠ to his SAYC partner's 1NT, thinking that as it is here that it was a forcing range finder game try. When his pard dutifully replied 3♣ as SAYC specifies, my friend took that as showing a MAX NT with 4 ♣'s. Thus they reached 3NT, down many, which forced him to learn SAYC properly :blink:

 

Here in live bridge, where we mainly play Acol, 2♥ would be assumed to be 100% forcing, and thus mandatory to alert at the table if not.

In proper Acol, almost nothing is forcing :D.

 

But seriously, after a double of 1♠, what do you do on a hand like

 

♠x ♥Txxxxxx ♦xx ♣xxx?

 

If you can't suggest to partner that it might be right to play in 2♥ he might find himself struggling in 1SX.

 

Eric

[the hog]

Here in live bridge, where we mainly play Acol, 2♥ would be assumed to be 100% forcing, and thus mandatory to alert at the table if not.

 

Hi KiwiBridge,

 

No this is not correct. After a X 2H is non forcing in Acol sayc or whatever. In fact if you have the agreement that it IS forcing, then I would suggest you need to alert it. (You might have the agreement of transfer advances as suggested by Ben.)

[mr1303]

But surely when your partner bids 3NT it clearly will have no play whatsoever, so why not bid 4H? Which would appear to be at worst 2 off.

 

I think you're not entirely innocent in this one. And anyway, in individuals misunderstandings do happen.

 

The fact that no-one appeared to have anything approaching their bids on this board is neither here nor there.

[xx1943]

But seriously, after a double of 1♠, what do you do on a hand like

 

♠x ♥Txxxxxx ♦xx ♣xxx?

 

If you can't suggest to partner that it might be right to play in 2♥ he might find himself struggling in 1SX.

 

Eric

 

 

My bid with or without X is 1NT (forcing): After X 1NT can't be natural even if you don't play 1NT forcing.

 

For details: Kaplan-Sheinwold

 

Al

[anssibragge]

What has happened to the good old XX?

 

Surely, If I hold the hearts and more than 10 points, I'd lay a big blue card on the table, or?

 

Meaning, on the 2-level the bids should surely be nonforcing.

 

abe

[anssibragge]

I would of course not waste this area of the board to become a discussion board for badly bid boards. But I just have to comment mr1303's posting.

 

If partner bids 3NT, I simply have to trust his/her judgement. Or? He might as well have 7 quick spade tricks and 2 aces and a void in hearts. It would certainly not look good to score -1 in 4 hearts after that.

 

Whatever. My point was to pinpoint a need for a forum to have the "WHAT IF...!" discussions :blink:

 

abe