gwnn Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 imps white QxxxxQxxxxJTx 1♦-p-1♠-2♥3♥-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'll try 3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 4♠ fast arrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 3♠. Better than my auction and play when I played this hand :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 4♠ fast arrival. I know you're just dying for someone to ask, so I guess I'll be the sucker. You know this cuebid doesn't promise spade support unless you are playing non-standard methods, right? Solid minor with outside strength but no heart stopper anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 4♠ fast arrival. I know you're just dying for someone to ask, so I guess I'll be the sucker. You know this cuebid doesn't promise spade support unless you are playing non-standard methods, right? Solid minor with outside strength but no heart stopper anyone? So? Partner has forced us to pick between 3NT, five of his minor, or spades. If I had six spades and a weak hand, I'd presumably have bid 2♠ as my first bid. If I had six spades and better than a weak hand, I'd bid 3♠ now. Hence, I have a weak hand with five spades. Partner can pass or correct to 5♦ as makes the most sense with his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ah, we are playing weak jump shifts, and fast arrival! Now I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I doubt it will be popular, but I likely would have passed 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 3S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ah, we are playing weak jump shifts, and fast arrival! Now I get it. Well, you were right that I was itching for a "WTF???" LOL The funny thing is that I would actually expect 4♠ to have a different "obvious" meaning, and I'm really surprised that you didn't respond the way I would. I mean, 4♠ is clearly a Bluhmer. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Partner does not have a three card fit, he did not double. So 3 or even 4 spade is out. And when he has a real strong hand with spade support and tried to bid this via the cuebid, he will bid spades next round. So I try the obvious 4♦ to show my lack of stopper, my weakness and my support. 3 NT is the second choice. It often pays to play NT with Qx in their suit. But not with this hand. And BTW: I have great sympathy for passing these hands after 1 ♦ from partner. But with 5 spades I just cannot bring myself to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3S 3H asked for a stopper, I dont have one, but have 5 spades,if I had only 4 spades, I would have bid 3NT. If we play suppX, than the case for 3NT is stronger, since pdenied 3 spades, which means he cant be interested in hearing that I have a 5 card spade suit headed by the Queen. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3S, I don't think that this is a problem hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3NT. Not a problem indeed. Partner has either ♥Ax or ♥Jxx. Partner's 3♥ could mean strong ♠ support as well. I'll know on the next round. If that is the case it is less likely that partner will try a slam, knowing that we have wasted ♥ values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nothing seems more natural than 3S. We don't have a great hand and plus 3S takes the least amount of space. Let partner clarify what type of hand he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nothing seems more natural than 3S. We don't have a great hand and plus 3S takes the least amount of space. Let partner clarify what type of hand he's got. The thing is that if partner has spades with slam ambitions, there will be enough space to show that, but if he wants to hear whether we have half a heart stopper, he won't have a second chance below 3NT to ask for it. I prefer to lose the meaning of 3♥ as an invitation to 4♠, even if it seems more natural, because it is more valuable to me to have the double meaning (attempt for 3NT or ♠ slam invitation with 5 or less losers in the hand). At IMPs most hand that force to 3♠ will be willing to try 4♠ anyway, so nothing of importance is lost. And at MPs you'll need the opportunity to stop at 3NT even more, so there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I assume that the methods are support doubles, with 3♥ as some strong hand, initially asking for a heart stop. In that case, surely 3♥ should deny exactly three spades, and a 3♠ reply would suggest a 5-2 fit? I don't want to do that. Either 3NT or 4♦ seems right. I'd bid 3NT, because I can imagine it making, whereas 5♦ seems a long way off given my working 3-count. Also, RHO hasn't doubled 3♥ for a lead, so we have a reasonable chance that LHO will lead a low heart, or some other suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3NT. Qx is a stopper :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I don't like 4D, it will give partner hope that we have more than two queens, no ruffing value and three small diamonds (especially the latter). Yes, partner could have long strong diamonds but he doesn't have to. If he does then we will hear so next round and we will have an easy 5D bid. I am not worried that partner will bid 4S on a doubleton spade and 7 solid that he didn't show. Partner could also have a gameforcing hand with the minors (he will bid 4C and again we have no problem) or a HCP raise of spades (he will bid 4H and again we have no problem). I like 3NT a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I don't understand 3NT. If partner is asking us for a stopper then we don't have it. I see nothing wrong with 3♠, I don't think partner will take it as a very strong suggestion of a 5-2 spade fit, we could easily be stuck and be making the most convenient bid. To me this is a wtp hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3♠, denying a heart stopper.If partner needs half a stopper, he rebids 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3♠, denying a heart stopper.If partner needs half a stopper, he rebids 3NT. So you don't really care that if partner has ♥Ax or Kxx you'll have two ♥ stoppers when you're the declarer, but only one if partner declares? How are you going to ever find a playable contract if you insist on wrong-siding it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3♠, denying a heart stopper.If partner needs half a stopper, he rebids 3NT. So you don't really care that if partner has ♥Ax or Kxx you'll have two ♥ stoppers when you're the declarer, but only one if partner declares? How are you going to ever find a playable contract if you insist on wrong-siding it? How is that not equivalent to saying "So you don't really care that if partner has ♥x or ♥xx you'll have no heart stoppers when partner passes? How are you going to ever find a playable contract if you insist on playing 3NT with no stopper?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 3♠, denying a heart stopper.If partner needs half a stopper, he rebids 3NT. So you don't really care that if partner has ♥Ax or Kxx you'll have two ♥ stoppers when you're the declarer, but only one if partner declares? How are you going to ever find a playable contract if you insist on wrong-siding it? There's no guarantee that partner has anything in hearts. If partner has solid diamonds and need a stopper from me to make 3NT, it looks pretty stupid to reach 3NT with no stopper at all. How are you going to ever find a making 3NT if you insist on bidding it without a stopper in opps suit? :rolleyes: Edit: Josh beat me to it I see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. ;) I didn't mean that what I proposed was standard. I only wanted to say that I think it would be good to have that understanding with partner, as I do with some of my partners, sometimes even successfully. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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