Hanoi5 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 You're dealer, red vs white: ♠♥J8xxx♦♣KJ9xxxxx I'll follow the story after some comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 4♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 4♣. 5♣ is too easy to get doubled. and the hand has too much playing strength for 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I kinda want to open 3C but I'm sure I would open 4C irl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I kinda want to open 3C but I'm sure I would open 4C irl. Kinda weird. May convince you that you were wrong to even think it, but something intuitive in me screams the counter-intuitive 3♣ also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 4♣ if natural, otherwise pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass. PASS covers hands you cant describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass. PASS covers hands you cant describe. yes pass covers 85 very nicely! after passing now doubt you will be able to describe your hand perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass. PASS covers hands you cant describe. yes pass covers 85 very nicely! after passing now doubt you will be able to describe your hand perfectly. Pass, then bid 0♠, then wait for the auction to come back, open 5♥, then bid 8♣... and finish with "and no diamonds". It works great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Just five losers and a five card major. 1♥ wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass. PASS covers hands you cant describe.Yes. Problem is, that when partner opens 1♦, you only have 5 hcp and thus cannot bid 1♥. But what the hell, it looks like a misfit anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 How about 1S? Hope I can escape to 2C/3C/4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass. If a two-suited opening were available, would you make it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Just five losers and a five card major. 1♥ wtp?It's done Steve Robinson no harm over the last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I have a theory that one should preempt aggressively with boring shapes like 7222, and be more cautious with more exciting shapes. The reason is that if trumps split bad for them, aggressive preempting may keep them out of a normal contract that would fail due to the bad breaks. Also it may be difficult for p to judge what to do if last board we were 5-0 in the majors and now we're 0-5. I am not quite serious about the above but even if Loefken's law says this hand is a 6♣ or 7♣ opening I think it is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 4C. Don't understand pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass. If a two-suited opening were available, would you make it?If I had a 4♥ opener, that showed a lousy 5-card suit, and 7 or 8 clubs, I would use it. Unfortunately it is not yet on my repertoire. (Some might prefer to go all the way, and guarantie 8 clubs, but I believe thay are influenced by seeing the actual hand.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well I passed at the table. The club suit was KJ965432 and hearts J8532 (not quite sure about the hearts). It went: Pa 1♦ Pa 2♠ Which was strong with spades. At my table I now decided it was safe to bid by jumping: 4♣ 4♠ 5♣ 5♠ Now what? If you pass, what do you lead? If you bid on, what would you do over 6♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 If I had decided to pass with this hand, I think I'd keep it up at this point. I mean, I had the option of preempting, but I did not. I now know that I am well behind the field in the preemption department, and nothing I do now will catch up. So, I might as well hope that the non-preemption pays off. Meaning, maybe the opponents actually do worse with no interference because they bid aggressively, counting on some nice splits that are not happening. Worst thing I could do now is to bid and take that possible gain away also. Pass like I'm 4-3-3-3 and bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 With my regular partner we have a specific bid for this type of hand. 2 ♥ describes a hand with 5 hearts and a minor which can be longer. We use Multi 2 ♦ to describe a regular weak 2 bid in a major, or 2 NT opener or 4441 hand 16 -21 points. Cheers, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 How about 1S? Hope I can escape to 2C/3C/4C. LOL yes you will get out in 2♣, I guess your partner never has a game force with spade support when you have a 5 count with no spades! Please show me how you will wriggle out when partner responds with jacoby 2NT (or whatever game-forcing spade raise you use)? Planning to pass it you say? And if RHO overcalls, when you pass guess what partner is going to do. Or how about 1♠ (3♦) 4♦ (X), your turn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 If a two-suited opening were available, would you make it?I think I would. I sometimes play 2♣ as 5+ clubs and a 4+ major, weak 2 strength. That doesn't do perfect justice to this hand, but it clues partner in to my major and gives me some latitude if I later bid some unreasonable number of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 With my regular partner we have a specific bid for this type of hand. 2 ♥ describes a hand with 5 hearts and a minor which can be longer. We use Multi 2 ♦ to describe a regular weak 2 bid in a major, or 2 NT opener or 4441 hand 16 -21 points. Cheers, Theo I also gave a little thought to opening 2♥ (I have the same opening) but besides being Vulnerable, there were too many clubs. In another hand from the same set my partner played 4♠ down too many after opening 2♠ (same meaning but spades instead of hearts) with: ♠JTxxx♥x♦KQJT9x♣x So I don't think these hands should be a Muidenberg opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Muiderberg with 5-8 is very weird to me. Having said that, most other bids are weird as well. If you open 3C you are hopefully planning to bid again, but when the opponents get to 4S you cannot conveniently introduce hearts. 4C doesn't tell your story either and makes the chance that you can show hearts smaller. 5C with this is a bit disgusting but we are 5-8. I wouldn't pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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