Reporting Psyches

[jillybean]

Here's a TD call from a tourney I ran today, I bet the "psyche" wont surprise too many.

 

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West North East South

 

 -     -     1♣    1♦

 Dbl   1♠    1NT   Pass

 Pass  2♠    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

South yes, a BBO Expert called me during the hand to complain of West’s psychic double because "in any system double here promises majors".

 

Its easy to understand how people get this idea of psyches, education rather than reporting would be more useful.

[babalu1997]

Here's a TD call from a tourney I ran today, I bet the "psyche" wont surprise too many.

 

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West North East South

 

 -     -     1♣    1♦

 Dbl   1♠    1NT   Pass

 Pass  2♠    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

South yes, a BBO Expert called me during the hand to complain of West’s psychic double because "in any system double here promises majors".

 

Its easy to understand how people get this idea of psyches, education rather than reporting would be more useful.

Give a ruling and tell him it is not your job to teach him bridge.

 

75% of bbo experts are unacquainted with passout seat auctions and many card play techniques.

 

I am very fond of chinese finesses and I hardly ever attempt blind two-way finesses.

 

I get called a moron all the time. lol.

[hrothgar]

I'm having SUCH a hard time deciding which bid I dislike more

 

1. The 2♠ rebid

2. The 1♦ overcall

3. The 1NT free bid

4. The double

 

I think that the two pairs were well matched

[Cascade]

Bad judgement does not a psyche make.

[1eyedjack]

I'm having SUCH a hard time deciding which bid I dislike more

 

1. The 2♠ rebid

2. The 1♦ overcall

3. The 1NT free bid

4. The double

 

I think that the two pairs were well matched

LOL

 

Given that it was South who decided that it was worthwhile wasting the TD's time, I vote for the 1♦ call

[jillybean]

I'm having SUCH a hard time deciding which bid I dislike more

 

1. The 2♠ rebid

2. The 1♦ overcall

3. The 1NT free bid

4. The double

 

I think that the two pairs were well matched

and its this type of auction that has helped me reduce my bridge addiction considerably. :lol:

[jillybean]

Bad judgement does not a psyche make.

Wayne's on a roll LOL

[hotShot]

I'm having SUCH a hard time deciding which bid I dislike more

 

1. The 2♠ rebid 

2. The 1♦ overcall

3.  The 1NT free bid

4.  The double

 

I think that the two pairs were well matched

and its this type of auction that has helped me reduce my bridge addiction considerably. :lol:

I could understand that this kind of call helps to reduce anyones TD addiction.

[jdonn]

And here I thought south was going to be the one accused of "psyching" when I started to read the post.

[helene_t]

lol yeah me too

[blackshoe]

They were all psyching.

[Free]

I'm having SUCH a hard time deciding which bid I dislike more

 

1. The 2♠ rebid

2. The 1♦ overcall

3. The 1NT free bid

4. The double

 

I think that the two pairs were well matched

Lol I agree soooo much!

[Oof Arted]

:lol:

 

there are experts and then there are experts

 

:huh:

[the hog]

And here I thought south was going to be the one accused of "psyching" when I started to read the post.

Me three.

[pretzalz]

Give a ruling and tell him it is not your job to teach him bridge.

The purpose of calling a director over a psyche is not to get a ruling; generally you aren't entitled to one. The purpose is to make the director aware of it in case a pattern develops. Otherwise you could psyche 13 times a session and noone would be the wiser.

[JoAnneM]

What is south complaining about? Didn't the auction pretty much expose the bad double? And you don't compain about a psych, you just report it, unless of course it is a game, God forbid, where psyches aren't allowed.

[Cascade]

What is south complaining about? Didn't the auction pretty much expose the bad double? And you don't compain about a psych, you just report it, unless of course it is a game, God forbid, where psyches aren't allowed.

<sarcasm on>

 

for example playing against beginners ;)

 

<sarcasm off>

[jillybean]

What is south complaining about? Didn't the auction pretty much expose the bad double? And you don't compain about a psych, you just report it, unless of course it is a game, God forbid, where psyches aren't allowed.

South wasn't so much complaining as reporting the 'psyche'. Profitable move, in some cases reporting a psyche will earn you an A+ and the opps an A-.

[blackshoe]

Take a look at the EBU regulations on psychic bids. (Section 6, page 29 of the document). No, they don't apply outside the EBU, but they're a reasonable approach, and worth reading and understanding for that reason.

[Oof Arted]

Take a look at the EBU regulations on psychic bids. (Section 6, page 29 of the document). No, they don't apply outside the EBU, but they're a reasonable approach, and worth reading and understanding for that reason.

:D

 

Yup Blackshoe that is our treatment for pyches

 

6a2

 

and 6b6

 

for Wayne's interest

 

:rolleyes:

[gnasher]

Take a look at the EBU regulations on psychic bids. (Section 6, page 29 of the document). No, they don't apply outside the EBU, but they're a reasonable approach, and worth reading and understanding for that reason.

Personally I think that this is one of the worst-written pieces of regulation I have ever seen, though I agree that they way that it's usually applied in practice is reasonable. Here are some of my objections (mostly copied from a rec.games.bridge post I made a few years ago):

 

The actions of the psycher’s partner following a psyche – and, possibly, further actions by the psycher himself – may provide evidence of an unauthorised, and therefore illegal, understanding. If so, then the partnership is said to have ‘fielded’ the psyche.

Taken literally, this means that an action that provides any evidence, however slight, of an unauthorised understanding constitutes "fielding".

A TD may find that whilst there is some evidence of an unauthorised understanding it is not sufficient, of itself, to justify an adjusted score. This is classified as an Amber psyche.

A possible interpretation of the word "some" in this sentence is "any". As applied in practice "some" means "a reasonable amount of", but if so the rules should say so.

 

A partnership’s actions on one board may be sufficient for the TD to find that it has an unauthorised understanding and the score will be adjusted

What's the relevance of whether an understanding is "unauthorised" or not? The EBU penalises psyches under Law 40. Therefore the TD is finding that a concealed partnership understanding exists.

 

The above are all just complaints about the wording. My biggest criticisms, however, are about the substance of the rules:

 

(1) Nowhere in the EBU's regulations does it say that it's improper to intentionally field a psyche. Provided that no agreement or UI exists, it is apparently quite proper to deliberately field a psyche, hoping to get away with it but willing to pay the penalty otherwise.

 

(2) The regulations describe the process to be followed by the TD, but do not explain what is required of the players, or what standards should be applied in classifying a player's action. This places both players and directors in an unnecessarily difficult position.

 

Suppose that I am on lead after the auction pass-1C-2H-3NT. I think a diamond lead is best, but others might prefer a heart. I am aware, from my own hand, the opponents' demeanour, and the fact that my partner has not forsworn psyching, that my partner may have psyched. One of the risks of leading a diamond is that if partner has, in fact, psyched, my action may be classified as "red", in which case we will be assigned a score of 30%.

 

I would like (a) to play within the rules and (b) to evaluate the aforementioned risk. I can't reliably do either, because the regulations don't tell me what is required of me in this position, or what criteria will be used to decide whether to adjust the score.

[blackshoe]

(1) Nowhere in the EBU's regulations does it say that it's improper to intentionally field a psyche. Provided that no agreement or UI exists, it is apparently quite proper to deliberately field a psyche, hoping to get away with it but willing to pay the penalty otherwise.

A player must not infringe a law intentionally, even if there is a prescribed rectification he is willing to accept.

 

I see no reason why the word "law" in this law should not be interpreted to include regulations as well.

 

With your second complaint, you have a point. Not sure how best to resolve it, practically speaking.

[oxyde]

TD is there to restore equity

That also includes possibility of manual adjustments to cover such cases.

 

Afterwards,

In real life, Ethics chambers is there to explain people how to behave / ban

On BBO, you should report to abuse. I would say that deliberate behavior to abuse of regulations or whatever is in the rules you accept when logging in.

[JoAnneM]

"South yes, a BBO Expert called me during the hand to complain of West’s psychic double because "in any system double here promises majors"."

 

To Cascade: Note the words "BBO Expert" and "complain" in the original post of this thread.

 

Also, just to set the record straight: I am not against psyching, I only have a problem with it in one instance and that would be probably in a club or local tournament setting (where people tend to know each other) and an expert player would psyche against a true novice, a beginner, not a life novice, when they could have just played the game straight showing this novice how it's done right. I think the nine times they beat this player are going to outweigh the one time they get fixed or the novice stumbles in a great contract or play.

 

So psyche away, just don't do it against someone I am trying to signup.

[jillybean]

To Cascade:  Note the words "BBO Expert" and "complain" in the original post of this thread.

A BBO Expert is someone who has sufficient knowledge to alter his or her profile, it has no bearing on their bridge ability. :lol: