Gerben47 Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Okay, it's IMPs and no one is vulnerable. You have:♠ AJxxx♥ Jxxxx♦ Jx♣ x and you hear the following auction: Pd RHO You LHO1♣ 1♥ 1♠ 1NT2♦ pass ? What do you bid and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 2NT sign off, for 3♣ in this case. My p have probably 6♣-4♦ at least and is not enough strong to bid 2♥ cue bid, so we didn't have game. We are in missfit and 2♠ will be probably doubled by 1NT bidder, whlie 3♣ I hope not.Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 This hand stinks! Just play 2♦ (so pass now), you might be able to trump a ♣ loser in dummy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Pds 2♦ is undoubtly forcing. So I'll never pass. I showed 5!S with my first bid.I don't know ihis minors 4:5, 4:6 or 5:6. I don't know the quality of his minors. Therefore 2NT is the least of all evils. ;) Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 2s (doubtful)Probably passing 2d is the best option but I can't eliminate the chance to play a 5-2 fit instead of a 4-2 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Process of elimination. 1) Pass is out. Your partner reversed (yes, I know some people play only forcing bid by opener here is a cue-bid, but real world, you patner rebid 2♦ expecting you to take another call. Don't disappoint him. 2) 2♥ is out. Sure you have five of them, but your partner will be leaping to slam if you cue-bid and he really has good strong reversing values. After a free-bid between two freely bidding opponents, with a 1♥ bid that only shut out ♦, I think WESTIE has a goodish hand, and partner is light for the reverse. But still, cue-bid has to be good hand. 3) 2♠ is at least biddable. Conveys just about the right infortmation, other than placig too mch emphasis on spades. Two spades is one of my top two choices. 4) Another, 3♣ false preference in a forcign auction ==> NOOOOOOOOO. I don't mind the false preference part, but your hand isn't strong enough for this. You just got to play 2NT here as good/bad, lebehnshol, Ingberman (or what ever you want to call it). So with club support (even fake club support), you have to bid 2NT and then pass partner's 3♣ rebid. 5) 2NT here SHOULD NOT BE NATURAL. I play it as Ingberman, and as misho suggested, you could bid 2NT here and pass partner's 3♣ rebid. So the only real choice is 2NT==> to get to 3♣ and convey weakness, and 2♠. My feeling is if partner had ♠ support and good hand, he would not be mucking around with 2♦ reverse, he would have raised ♥ or cue-bid. On the other hand, in ♠ my hand is worth maybe 3 trircks, in ♣ it is worth one. Patner rates to be 1-2-4-6. 2-1-4-6. pr better. So I will have to weigh the advantage of 5-1 ♠ fit over 1-6 ♣ fit. I think I would finally settle for 2♠, but don't find 2NT (with correct Ingberman meaning) at all objectionable. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 2NT trying to stop below game, I consider myself in forcing situation and won´t pass. Next question comes after partner bids the expected minimum: 3♣, I think I´ll stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted May 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 To all the 2NT bidders, natural or not: LHO doubles, pass, pass, any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 To all the 2NT bidders, natural or not: LHO doubles, pass, pass, any thoughts? Not a 2NT bidder but if 2NT is doubled and passed around I think the best option is to play 2NT doubled. Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hum... while I agree that in theory 2♦ is forcing, I'm going to put my money that opponents aren't bluffing me and pass 2♦. So what if pard has a reverse? If he does, it will be a minimum reverse 110% of the times and we're going nowhere. I'm not going to bid 2♠ because the suit is bad and LHO may be salivating. From the bidding, I'm almost sure pard has a mild, shapely 6-5. Wanna bet that's what he has and pass is the right bid? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Process of elimination. 1) Pass is out. Your partner reversed (yes, I know some people play only forcing bid by opener here is a cue-bid, but real world, you patner rebid 2♦ expecting you to take another call. Don't disappoint him. Ben Ben, I think 2D should not be forcing here. Pd is marked with shapy hand, not strong hand. Otherwise he would dbl 1N. I think pass 2d is right. Hongjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 To all the 2NT bidders, natural or not: LHO doubles, pass, pass, any thoughts? Happy and certain of success bid 3♣ and stay there.Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Partner has a doubt of playing in 2NT doubled, if he was sure he would have redoubled, and if he disagreed would have already scaped. I don´t totally disagree with the contract, lets throw the ball back to him: redouble. Hum... while I agree that in theory 2♦ is forcing, I'm going to put my money that opponents aren't bluffing me and pass 2♦. So what if pard has a reverse? If he does, it will be a minimum reverse 110% of the times and we're going nowhere. I'm not going to bid 2♠ because the suit is bad and LHO may be salivating. Pass can be right, but some day your partner will have a very strong 2-suiter, and opponents will have nothing, after that day your partner will hate you for the rest of your/his life for trusting opponents more than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 If I have 2N as a puppet to 3♣ then I'll take it, otherwise I pass even if it is a reverse. We have a total misfit and need to get out ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 2NT Blackout, or Ingberman as the Americans call it. Pass is out of the question as theis auction is forcing and I don't pass my partner's forcing bids. Bad for partnership morale for one thing. Also we don't open strong 2 suiters with 2C unless super strong, so there are still chances for game. One final point, I prefer to trust my partner rather than the opposition. "Ben, I think 2D should not be forcing here. Pd is marked with shapy hand, not strong hand. Otherwise he would dbl 1N. I think pass 2d is right."It is certainly forcing in my partnerships - why on earth would opener want to X 1N with a hand where he knows the opps can probably safely escape. He loses a tempo in the bidding. Also with a medium shapely hand he would have opened 1D, even with 6C and 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Pass can be right, but some day your partner will have a very strong 2-suiter, and opponents will have nothing, after that day your partner will hate you for the rest of your/his life for trusting opponents more than him. I can live with that, as long as I score well in this particular board. Which I'm almost sure I will :D I used to be of the brigade "trust pard, not opps", but time has thought me that I should see things in a broader perspective. I can hardly believe opps are bluffing here.. By the way, if pard's so strong, why didn't he bid 3♦ ? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted May 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Okay here goes. Partner's hand is: xAQxAKTxQJTxx 3♣ is a violation of Burn's Rule and will be doubled by LHO, he has K9xxx. Hearts are 5-0 but that does not matter much because you can crossruff, elope and whatever. Or you can go down in 2♦ or 2♠ undoubled. Or in 2NT or higher doubled. 3♥ would be 530 but do you dare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I really dont like the 2nt here, i hope i can make 2 something by some quick ruffing, i would pass, 2sp is my second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I'd like to ask pard why he didn't double their 1NT ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I'd like to ask pard why he didn't double their 1NT ;) cannt agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Okay here goes. Partner's hand is: xAQxAKTxQJTxx 3♣ is a violation of Burn's Rule and will be doubled by LHO, he has K9xxx. Hearts are 5-0 but that does not matter much because you can crossruff, elope and whatever. Or you can go down in 2♦ or 2♠ undoubled. Or in 2NT or higher doubled. 3♥ would be 530 but do you dare? Change partner, he played for opps. Was this game for money? :P With missfit in your suit and lot of HCP and poor own distribution to bid 2♦ your p can have several reasons to not dbl :o :1. He/she hate you2. One of opps was female/male dream of your p.3. He/she thought about tax-collector.4. He/she had new narrow shoes.5. He/she just finish his supper and most of blood serve to his stomach, instead of head. :blink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 2 NT, getting out in 3♣. Misfitting hand. Mike :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Now 2 NT is X and passed by pd, I will pass. But I will be confussed somewhat. Pd is now suggesting a somehwhat balanced hand. How come he didn't X the 1 NT bid ? Mike :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Some people play here that double means 3♠ support, and some aren´t sure of what it would mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Why didn't partner double 1NT with that hand? My choice was 2♥ - 4th suit forcing, not because I have 5 of them. Partner should bid 2NT over it and I start to get suspicious, but I'm not sure if I can bid a natural 3♥ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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