Ant590 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 How do you play 1NT - 2♦2♥ - 3♣? Another bet riding on this one, so please vote even if you think it's obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Forcing to game. But some people do play this as forcing to 3Major. That is playable but seriously harms your slam bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 GF. Not playing Keri, this shows 5H and 4+C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 NF Inv (I assume 2♦ xfer and not GF stayman.)xx AT98x xx KJxx (Opener may have QJX XXX AKJX AXX or JXX QX AKJX AXXX)or xxx AJTXX x KJ9x ( Same above for Opener hand )or add another ♣ and discard a S or D 2nd hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb79 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 game forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 GF. No exceptions. No options. No passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 So Ant, GF is unanimous. Can we know the background and result of the bet(s), please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 So Ant, GF is unanimous. Can we know the background and result of the bet(s), please? Ant vs Hamdi. Ant wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Even in acol it's GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 So Ant, GF is unanimous. Can we know the background and result of the bet(s), please? Ant vs Hamdi. Ant wins. Whoops, forgot the voice from the wilderness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=shak842d843cj9543]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Me GIB1NT>2♦2♥>3♣ BBO Best hand experience! Is it really GF ? I saved deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yes it is. You think it's not because Gib bid it on an 8 count with a void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 That hand looks like a normal GF to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 "BBO Best hand experience! Is it really GF ? I saved deal." Absolutely gf in standard methods. GIB is not noted for its bidding. Anyway, as Wayne points out, the given hand is close enough to a gf to make it only a mild overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 O ja, dieses bidden ist 100% forsen to der gamen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 So Ant, GF is unanimous. Can we know the background and result of the bet(s), please? I play with someone locally and we were practicing in the bidding room. The sequence 1NT - 2♦2♥ - 3♣4♥ came up, and I asked what he plays the difference between 3♥ and 4♥ as. It turns out he bids 3♥ "to play", because he was under the impression that 3♣ was inv+ in standard. We play in an event that has very nice cakes during the break, so I bet that if 10% of the poll or greater agreed with him I would buy said cake. I now, unless the poll shifts radically, get cake bought for me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ant, it's GF, but I think you would probably have expected me to say that! Enjoy your cake =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 O ja, dieses bidden ist 100% forsen to der gamen. Is that Schwützerdütch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Could any of our French speaking posters please translate that on the offchance that it is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 100% gf in all versions of standard bidding. Does that mean the same as 'I hold a hand that will make game opposite your hand'? No. So, to karluk, when GIB (and I can't think of anyone else who would hold up a GIB bid as an exemplar of 'standard' bidding!) forced to game with void AKxxx xxx J9xxx... how else are you bidding? Transfer to hearts and pass? Opposite, say Jxxx Qx AKx AKxx, you miss an almost laydown small slam and a decent grand! So everyone and his dog would gf on that hand... knowing that on a bad day we fail in whichever game we reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I guess the other way of putting it for Hamdi's benefit is that yes there may be some (a few) hands that are 5/4 in hearts/clubs where 3C is a make and 2H and 2N are not - typically where opener is 2/4 in the same suits. However this is a) quite a small target to aim at in terms of constructing a system and b] 2N will often be better when opener turns out to have been 2/3 instead. Thus reserving 3C, on this sequence, as forcing makes a lot more sense. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Source : BBO today Partner opens 1NT (15-17 balanced). Say righty passed. You did a transfer bid to hearts. Partner completes it. Now what ? Pass or 3♣ ? Sorry but I don't think South has GF values. [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s8hj8743d72ckqj62]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Source : BBO today Partner opens 1NT (15-17 balanced). Say righty passed. You did a transfer bid to hearts. Partner completes it. Now what ? Pass or 3♣ ? Sorry but I don't think South has GF values. [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s8hj8743d72ckqj62]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Pass of course. No super accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Source : BBO today Partner opens 1NT (15-17 balanced). Say righty passed. You did a transfer bid to hearts. Partner completes it. Now what ? Pass or 3♣ ? Sorry but I don't think South has GF values. [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s8hj8743d72ckqj62]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] For sure you don't have GF values. But you're missing the point. Change the ♥J to the A and now you do - would you want to be passed out in 3♣? Or are you prepared to bid something like 4♣ with that hand and waste a lot of bidding room? The vast majority of people - including people like me who usually play Acol (for the cynics read, "bid what you think you can make") tend to regard the 3♣ bid on this sequence as forcing. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Source : BBO today Partner opens 1NT (15-17 balanced). Say righty passed. You did a transfer bid to hearts. Partner completes it. Now what ? Pass or 3♣ ? Sorry but I don't think South has GF values. Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: MP ♠ 8 ♥ J8743 ♦ 72 ♣ KQJ62 Sorry, but I don't understand your point. Bridge bidding is a set of compromises. It is impossible to cater, accurately, to all hand types. On the 1=5=2=5 7 count, obviously it would be nice to be able to show both suits and stop in 3♣ or 3♥ when right. But, experience, over 70+ years of bridge by thousands of good players and millions of not so good has shown that it is MORE useful to use the sequence of transfer then new suit as GF. (Note to nitpickers, I know transfers are a relatively recent development). So a good player, using these methods, would transfer and then either overbid (by making a gf) or pass...either needs some luck to be the optimum spot. Too bad. Only fools think that bidding can be perfected. So, Hamdi, in STANDARD bidding, the transfer than new suit is GF. You are welcome to play it otherwise... do it long enough and I suspect that you will learn what others already have. But in standard, it is gf, and all of your examples as to why you think it shouldn't be won't change that reality. One of the hallmarks of the improving player is a willingness to listen to and learn from better players.... one of the hallmarks of the crank is to demonstrate a lack of knowledge and then to get angry with those who point out one's errors...which category do you want to be seen as representing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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