microcap Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 This was really bad, even for Rex and me. As always, there will be a part 2 so stay tuned to the Bat-Channel! :D You hold a nice collection: [hv=d=s&v=e&s=skj8762hdakq72cq7]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] You open 1♠, annoying LHO preempts 3♥. In addition to the normal tools, we play that a double by partner here is 10+HCP, and pretty likely not to have 3+ cards in spades and unlikely to have a heart stopper. Partner bids 4♣. You rebid 4♦. Partner bids 4♥. What do you think he has? What is your next bid? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 4♠ - still looking for the right strain. Masterminding since it was a posed problem, 5N pick a slam :). If I understand your double style, partner is more likely to have wasted heart values by taking other actions than double? This seems to suggest caution. As for what I expect from partner, seems like he could have: 1) slam interest with clubs, too good for 5♣, or2) a semibalanced/flexible hand with clubs, unsure what strain is right3) a balanced hand with stopper(s) too good for a direct 3N (or do you start those with double?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I don't worry about what partner has. I am going to bid my hand. I bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Partner's 4♥ doesn't necessarily promise slam interest, he is just looking for the best strain.Such a hand necessarily has quite a bit of values though, so I have slam interest. I would bid 5N, expecting to play 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I raise partner every chance I get, s 5♥ it is. Not that I intend to pass 5♠, but It cannot hurt to give partner the chance to bid 5NT or jump to 6♠. (The last instead of merely taking preference in 6♠.) Partner will be slightly less indulged to take us to a grand, when we dont belong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I bid 4♠ now and hope it's not passed around. Partner can have anything, but there is some possibility of diamond support in his hand, though I'm not quite sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think 4♠ is utterly feeble. I would go for 5NT, 6♣ being a fair alternative but I think it rules out diamonds too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 4♠? WHAT?! Partner bid FOUR CLUBS!!! I can bid slam on my own, thank you very much. Now if I only knew what was best.... I think that 5NT eats up too much room here and we'll never get to grand when it's right. But maybe 3♥ scuttled that anyway... bidding 5♥ won't make for easy continuations as nice as it seems. ♦ could easily be the best strain and I think that bidding 5NT will eliminate this possibility. Partner is missing the AKQ and definitely cannot imagine that I have 5 of them. I'll bid 5♥ for now then. If partner bids 5♠ his shape becomes more clarified. Plus I'd really like to play in 6♠ opposite Qx (hopefully the 10... or the 9) since we're totally going to get a spade ruff against us in 6-minor, and we are probably not getting there either after 5NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 4H shows slam interest in diamonds. I will bid 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 4H shows slam interest in diamonds. I will bid 5H. Perhaps that's the most logical explanation, but I wouldn't be too sure pard meant it as so. Being so, I'll also "bid what I have." 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Partner had a good hand w/Cl.You made it even better with your 4D rebid.I agree pard's 4H is an advance cue for Diam as trump, slammish.S/he doesn't have much room for many, if any, spades.Still, if he has just one , say: 1s, 2h, 4d, 6cSomething like: x A K J T x x A K J T x x ..... the grand isn't there unless they don't take their Sp Ace. I'll just bid 6D ( because I'm a wimp ). But I do like the 5H! bid, but will partner really bid his void in Sp or 7D missing the 3 top honors ? void A x J T x x x A K J T x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ok so Part 2--- Partner opens 1♠, rho preempts 3♥. You hold: [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa4hakjdj87ck10432]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]. What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Add 1: I had bid 6 club now Add 2: Tuff problem: You are too strong for 3 NT, wrong shape for double and raising and I would hate to pass. Okay, partner will reopen in 99 % of all cases, but what if he does not? (Must he reopen with say (KJxxx,xx,KQx,QJx)?). So 4 club on THIS suit? A horror too. I think I had passed and passed partners reopening double. This had lost only when he had passed 3 Heart, a small risk.In the actual hand he had not doubled but bid 4 ♦. I had tried 4 Heart and 6 ♦ over 5 ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Part 2 looks to me like an easy 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Part 1: Whichever is pick-a-slam, I think 5NT. Btw I would play partner's 4♥ as CoG. Part 2: 3NT, a bid heavy but after all half of my points are in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 @2: I actually have 4NT = Quantitative available in my system, but I would still settle for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Part 1 I had bid ( the makable ) 6D in my previous based on my interpretation of the bidding. Part 2 However, South was in the unenviable position after the 3H interference. I don't think the 4C bid was "right". 3NT should have been the call. ( The preempt did it's job again ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 5H and 3N for me. 4C is tempting but I think I need more stuff in clubs and diamonds for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 4H shows slam interest in diamonds. I will bid 5H. I think 4♥ is coming (I hate that term) in a minor. It's quite easy to visualize a grand opposite. Partner probably has ♠A, ♣AK. I'm OK with 5N but I also like 5♥. I may hear about the ♠A now. 4♠ is not a consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ok so Part 2--- Partner opens 1♠, rho preempts 3♥. You hold: <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> A4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKJ </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> J87 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> K10432 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->. What do you bid?1♠ (3♥) 4N (Pass)6♦ AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 4♣ was an interesting way of dealing with that problem hand. Pass is another. 4NT quantitative is wonderful but very few people will have such agreement. Why didn't partner bid 4NT over 4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 part 1: after this start, my concern would be over whether to play 6 or 7 of a minor, with a mild concern about which minor... suspecting that either would work, but that diamonds will probably afford an edge... I would bid 5♥... which I think sends the right message.. it forces to a slam and shows the void. part 2: I would have bid 3N. Having perpetrated the 4♣ (when the worst thing that partner can do is raise you on, say, Jxx, maybe you shouldn't make the call), wild horses couldn't get me to cue 4♥. Even tho I can see that 4♥ could work out (in the sense of being survivable on the actual hand) I think that 4♥ is an enormous overstatement and misstatement of values. Admittedly, I have painted myself into a corner, and admittedly this would be an ideal place, on this hand, for a choice of games cuebid, but while COG cues are powerful, I wouldn't play this cue as one. I would prefer to bid 4♠. Opener is not about to pass 4♠, but I have some trouble seeing how we get back to diamonds after the preference. In fact, I suspect that the actual sequence is more likely to reach a playable, if thin, 6♦ than any auction that I think I would come up with as responder. As for why I choose 3N: 2 reasons.... having half my hcp in hearts is a reason to downgrade the hand, and it is too easy to see problems ahead if I bid 4♣...including the problem that I don't believe that it is possible to get to notrump below the 6 level after 4♣. BTW, what do we think N should do over a pressured 3N? I'd bid 4♦, but I wouldn't be filled with confidence. That would, I assume, fetch 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 4NT quantitative is wonderful but very few people will have such agreement. Which is really lazy. If you want to ask for keycards with spades, it is highly unlikely we will get hurt by starting with a 4♥ bid. The hands that simply needs to check aces, and is vulnerable to a 5♥ call by next hand, has a much lower frequency than hands that fit a quantitative bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 This was really bad, even for Rex and me. As always, there will be a part 2 so stay tuned to the Bat-Channel! :D You hold a nice collection: Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ KJ8762 ♥ [space] ♦ AKQ72 ♣ Q7 You open 1♠, annoying LHO preempts 3♥. In addition to the normal tools, we play that a double by partner here is 10+HCP, and pretty likely not to have 3+ cards in spades and unlikely to have a heart stopper. Partner bids 4♣. You rebid 4♦. Partner bids 4♥. What do you think he has? What is your next bid? :( 5D. Added later: 5D is not enough, 6D is a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Ok so Part 2--- Partner opens 1♠, rho preempts 3♥. You hold: [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sa4hakjdj87ck10432]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]. What do you bid? 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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