Cascade Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sakq98643h5dk853c]133|100|Scoring: IMP(Pass) ?[/hv] What do you think of the quote in the poll? What would you open? - Use your favourite methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 If I'd want to ask specific Aces: 2♣ strong, if partner responds 2♦ (positive) I'll bid 4NT specific Ace ask. If he bids 2♥ (negative) then it's no use to ask for Aces and I'll just bid 4♠. Otherwise just 1♠ or something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Just open 1♠ and go slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I open 1C force, then specific ask in D to find A/AQ/QJ/not and what D-length then I'm well placed to decide how many spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Open 1♠. Who knows, maybe pard has diamonds?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Pinpoint Blackwood It is used in 2 situations: a) an opening bid of 4N and B) a response of 4N to an opening bid of 1-of-a-suit bid. The responses to Pinpoint Blackwood are as follows: 5C = no aces 5D = D-A or 3 aces without the D-A 5H = H-A or 3 aces without the H-A 5S = S-A or 3 aces without the S-A 5N = C-A or 3 aces without the C-A The next 3 bids show 2 aces using the CRaSh mnemonic for Color, Rank, and Shape 6C = 2 aces, same color, either red or black (D+H or C+S) 6D = 2 aces, same rank, either minor or major (C+D or H+S) 6H = 2 aces, same shape, either pointy or rounded (D+S or C+H) 6S = all 4 aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I'll attempt the flow with the negatives. I wouldn't understand anything else but 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The responses to Pinpoint Blackwood are as follows: ... 6S = all 4 aces I can't resist. LOL. My poll answer, btw, is wtp? as in wtp 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 the "quote in the Poll" would be nice if partner has some spades. At the start, this is unlikely so the auctions that start off asking for specific aces, or start with 2C and set up demand cue bidding won't work here. therefore, i agree with "1S WTP" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I would open 1♠, then bid 3♦, then probably bid 5♠. Doesn't help on the void/singleton issue in the outside suits, but clearly helps on the diamond issue. I answer the poll question as "optmistic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The poll question is "crazy". The ♦A is the first of our concerns, although I'm deluding myself if I think I'm going to get more definitive information later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The poll question is "crazy". The ♦A is the first of our concerns, although I'm deluding myself if I think I'm going to get more definitive information later. Question or answer? Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening? So there is in fact room for some additional information although I am not sure how helpful that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Cascade writes:"Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening" . You should have taken a poll on that. Now that's "crazy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Cascade writes:"Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening" . You should have taken a poll on that. Now that's "crazy". Why is this crazy? It is lower than 4NT specific ace ask making it suitable for more hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 "Crazy" does seem an overstatement. 3NT as a direct ace ask will be useful very infrequently, but useful nonetheless. Personally I don't find a Gambling 3NT particularly useful, and I tend not to open it even when I'm dealt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 What I think? Inadequate methods. In my regular system I would open 2♣. Partner will either bid 2♦ or show something very specific. On 2♦ I bid 3♠, setting thrumphs.Thereafter partner can show his values with a bid in the suit at the 4-level, or bid 3NT/4♠ with little or no values. Grand will be difficult to control perfectly, but whether or not to go to 6, or even 5, will often be handled adequately. Playing Viking-Club, I would open 1♣. Many continuations are possible, but I will know partners excact distribution before 3NT, as well as general strenght, and will very often be able to locate key-cards, or the lack thereoff, in time. (Do we really get to bid without interference.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I really don't like 2♣ on this sort of hand. Both yourself and partner will not be well placed if the opponents compete. Partner will start doubling thinking you have more power and you will have to pull perhaps to a level you dont want to play at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I really don't like 2♣ on this sort of hand. Both yourself and partner will not be well placed if the opponents compete. Partner will start doubling thinking you have more power and you will have to pull perhaps to a level you dont want to play at. Obviously all roads are frought with danger, but I believe a 1♠ opener could easily get into more trouble. The best could be a 4♦-Namyats, but I wouldn't dream of playing that convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening? So there is in fact room for some additional information although I am not sure how helpful that is. Could you elaborate on your agreements here? What do follow up bids mean? If partner shows the diamond ace and no other ace, isn't pretty much any bid now a sign off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 1S. The Ace of diamonds is not enough.1S will give you the time to explore, if you fear a cheap sac.go ahead and bid 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: 3NT as specific Ace Ask makes the bid slightly better, but would still open 1S.I think your best option would be Namyats, because this willdescribe most features of your hand to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening? So there is in fact room for some additional information although I am not sure how helpful that is. Could you elaborate on your agreements here? What do follow up bids mean? If partner shows the diamond ace and no other ace, isn't pretty much any bid now a sign off? We can ask for kings. 4♦ would show the diamond ace. Over which we can make a quantitative invite in the majors. In theory with lots of extra strength partner could raise invitationally (or perhaps cue) over 4♥/♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 4NT as specific ace ask sounds a bit optimistic, might lead to 5♠-1 too often. In other news, this opening bid is too rare to be any use, please pick one of: * Both minors* A good 5m preempt The actual hand is perfect for a 4♦ opening (Namyats). For modern BW readers, maybe 3NT showing the same thing :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 We play 3NT not 4NT as the specific ace ask which increases its frequency. Because of other changes to the system we would be reluctant to give this up. It is not that frequent I think it has only come up once or twice in actual play in a couple of years. And a few more times in practice. When my partner suggested 3NT on the hand in this thread I immediately thought it was a bit optimistic but she pointed out that the hand only has 13 HCP and one opponent has passed so partner rates to have some values. It also seems that many other auctions will make it difficult to find out about key cards like the ♦Q. I did some simulations and 6♠ was making very often opposite the diamond ace and whatever else partner happened to have. The only problem hands for a specific ace ask were when partner had only the ♣A. Currently our agreement is to respond 5♣ with that hand. Opposite the ♣A and not other aces 5♠ was failing a significant number of times when 4♠ was making. Perhaps we can improve our method with 4♣ showing club ace or none and relaying to determine which. ♣A only (ace) occurred about 20% of the time. Perhaps the optimistic 3NT specific ace ask is not such a bad idea after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 The actual hand is perfect for a 4♦ opening (Namyats). For modern BW readers, maybe 3NT showing the same thing :) "Perfect" seems an overstatement. 4♦ isn't going to get you to a grand slam opposite x Axxx AQJx xxxx but let you stop in game opposite x Axxx xxxx AQJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I agree that calling this hand perfect for a Namyats 4♦ opening is an overbid - Partner has a right to expect that his ♣A is a useful card opposite a Namyats opening, and he will have trouble figuring out that his ♥A and ♦QJ is good enough for slam. That is not to say that I wouldn't open Namyats 4♦ on these cards. It is a reasonable, if flawed, opening, but not clearly worse than opening 1♠. It may serve to preempt the opponents out of a reasonable game or sacrifice. As for a specific ace ask, this is not the hand you were looking for when you decided to play that convention. You could find partner with both the ♥A and the ♦A and still not know how high to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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