Somehow we landed in 6NT

[mtvesuvius]

[hv=d=n&v=b&n=shqxdjtxcakjtxxxx&s=sak9xxxh9xxxdaqxc]133|200|Scoring: IMP

1♣ - 1♠

3♣ - 3♥

3NT - 6NT

 

I hate to admit to being either of the people involved in this auction, but I cannot avoid being South.

 

ATB![/hv]

[ArtK78]

I don't have any problem with the first two bids. :)

 

3♣ is, in some respects, an overbid. Of course, 2♣ would be, in some respects, an underbid. I am sure the handling of rebids with a near solid 8-card minor will be covered at length in Ken Rexford's next book. But for now, I can see arguments in favor of bidding 2♣, 3♣ and even 5♣. Fortunately, 4♣ is out, as most players would play that as a strong spade raise.

 

3♥ on xxxx is the beginning of a disaster in the making. Partner bid 3♣ which we assume shows a strong hand. If he had 4 good hearts he would have bid 2♥ rather than 3♣. To suggest playing in hearts with xxxx is not a good idea. The only excuse for bidding 3♥ now is that South intends to bid 4♠ on the next round. But, as we can see, that is not what happened.

 

I have some sympathy for 3NT, but it completes a misdescription of the North hand begun with the 3♣ call. South will expect that North has some 16-18 HCP hand with 6 good clubs, no more than 2 spades, and less than 4 hearts (note how accurately North's hand fits these last two points). South will not expect anything like the actual North hand.

 

6NT is a wild stab at a final contract. Having bid 3♥ on xxxx, South should realize that North is expecting at least a heart stopper and is not promising one of his own. However, South expects North to have more HCP and less distributional strength on account of the 3NT call.

 

I blame South more for this result, as South made the last fatal plunge. But North is a big contributor to the disaster. Let's say 60% for South and 40% for North.

[Cascade]

I don't like 1♣ and then 3♣ with this sort of hand.

 

I suppose if you open 1♣ you pretty much have to jump on the next round though.

 

With only two major suit cards I would prefer to open 4♣ or possibly 5♣ although I think that is a bit of a stretch.

 

Bidding 3NT seems to confirm the power type hand for the jump rebid - I might prefer 4♣ now but it is all getting ugly.

 

For south 3♥ is pretty ugly. 3♠ would be forcing and at least rebidding a suit that you might have a game in. What did you plan to do if partner raised hearts?

 

But I hate 6NT. Partner has shown around 16-18 with 3♣ and we have a misfitting 13. Sure you might have 12 tricks but there are just too many ways for 6NT to fail from there.

[whereagles]

North could have opened 5♣.

North could have rebid 5♣ 2nd round.

North could have rebid 4♣ or 5♣ 3rd round.

 

South should not have bid 6NT.

South could have passed 3NT.

[kenrexford]

ATB?

 

Alcohol, drugs, or a combination of both.

[jdonn]

Both are to blame (south more probably), but regarding how north should bid. If you do open 1♣ then I very strongly believe 2♣ is right on the next round. You are weak enough that it's extremely unlikely to be passed out (and if it is maybe that's even good?) and then a third round jump to 4♣ would describe a hand like this, a minimal opener with very long good clubs.

[andy_h]

Given the vulnerability, I would prefer 1C then 2C by north. South shouldn't introduce hearts but should bid 3S given the 3C. Once you diagnose the misfitting (no club or spade fit) hands, 6NT should be out of the radar. (Of course I also prefer the route of 1C, 2C then 4C by north like Josh)

If South really wanted to punt a slam, at least punt 6C where there's a chance that you can ruff out some spades.

[EricK]

I don't like the 3♣ rebid, but I can sort of understand it. Yes it might get you to a good low point count 3NT, but it is far more likely to get you too high on a lot of other hands.

 

But 3♥ is really bad, IMO. Partner isn't going to be interested in your four small hearts, and what do you expect him to do on a hand without a ♦ stop?

 

3NT is a bit of a punt with only a half stop in ♦, but after bidding 3♣, he pretty much forced himself into it.

 

And 6NT is odd, to say the least. What 12 tricks were you hoping for?

[cyc0002002]

North could have opened 5♣.

North could have rebid 5♣ 2nd round.

North could have rebid 4♣ or 5♣ 3rd round.

 

South should not have bid 6NT.

South could have passed 3NT.

That's the right "call"

I support

[pirate22]

First Lesson in my Book-and this applies to Both of you. Pard opens 1cl-pass-do you like your pards opener,can you suppoort him NO so bid 1 spade-pass,so opener ask you the same question? can you help partner in spades NO (Danger signals up) bid 2c-(Walk the dog)-opps very quiet,or may help you by bidding Pass

no east west hands-------------- so round to pard

 

yes pard, may have a 4 card ht suit,still no opps bidding,pard has a genuine club suit-so bid 3 spades you have 6 of them-----now round to partner

 

i think pass by opener in order or bid 4 cl. end of story

 

When either pards bid what you do not want to hear,DROP THE AUCTION

REGARDS

[Codo]

I realy hate the bidding, 1 ♠ was the only bid which I liked.

 

You should have openend 4 or 5 club.

You didn.t

Okay, then rebid 2 club on your 11 HCPs with a void in partners suit.

You didn't.

Okay, with no stopper anywhere, rebid 4 club.

You did not, you got what you deserved.

 

Your partner tried to describe his hand. I like 1 Spade and I have sympathie for 4 Heart, because you are too strong for 3 NT and 3 heart may let them lead a diamond.

 

I understand 6 NT, but this is still a huge overbid with a void in partners suit.

Do not count on ruffing values in NT.....

[mikeh]

I agree with Josh

 

I also agree that the 3♥ rebid was poor... in fact, I think that there is a far stronger case for 3♦ than for 3♥. xxxx may be a 'stopper', in that the opps may not have 5 hearts to run, but if we are looking for 3N, 3♦ is more accurate... and over 3♥, it is entirely possible that partner CAN'T bid 3N, since he may have no semblance of a diamond stopper. Partner may also be unable to bid 3N over 3♠... however, having said all of that, I would rebid 3♠ over 3♣, and now opener should definitely bid 4♣, wishing all the while that he hadn't misbid via 3♣.