wclass___ Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 General idea for VUL system 1♣ = Generally 5♣+ 11+(see 2♣ opening) or 5♠+ 15/16+ or 17/19 22+bal (5♥332 and some 5♥422),1♦ = 5♦ or 4441♣ 11-17(not 5322) 1♥ = somewhere up to 171♠ = 8-14; 8-15;9-14,11-15 ..whatever1N = 14-162♣ = 11-14 5♣4♦ or 6♣+2♦ = 10-13 5♥+4♠+ or strong unbalanced 5♥+2♥ = 5♦+unbal 18+2♠ = w22N = 21/22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 It seems like your basic idea is along the lines of the Swedish/Polish club - 1♣ being natural or strong, but removing the weak NT hands entirely (those being passed rather than opened). Perhaps you could share some of your thoughts about the choices you made here. My take: - I like your 2♣ opener- why make 1♥ stronger than 1♠? Seems like you could have 1♠ go up to 17 too for consistency (and to avoid another hand type in 1♣)- I take it you're not opening balanced 13 counts or weaker- your 2♦♥ openers seem to be assigned to pretty rare hands. would it be so bad to include those in 1♣ (strong) and 1♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Also, while this may be a little more detailed question than you've considered, what are your rebids going to look like after 1♣ (forcing) - 1♦ (negative?). I can see there being some confusion between minimum club hands with 4♠ and the intermediate 5♠ hands (since only one of these can rebid 1♠). I might suggest: 1♣(various, forcing)-1♦(generally negative): 1M 4M unbalanced with clubs (usually 5), almost forcing1N 17-192♣ 5+♣, no 4cM, intermediate ~14-18 (else 2♣ initially)2♦ artificial force (22+ unbal/24+ bal)2M 5+ strong but NF, ~18-222N 22-23 3♣ 5+♣, no 4cM, strong but NF, ~18-22 This assumes increasing your 1M openers to 11(?)-17, and dropping your 2N opening to a standard 20-21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Actually the system is designed around that rare 2♦ bid. I found very good structure in ambra. 2♦ was w2 in ♥ or GF in ♥, i went through some boards and really started to like it. So i changed this idea for my needs. Maybe ranges 11/17 18+ for 1♥/2♦ are not perfect, but i doun't see any need to open 1♣ with these. 1♠ /17? Definetly no, NV i play 10-15 style, and doun't want to change system over 1♠. i just tried to say that you can use different ranges here. Balanced 13-counts? I doun't know... i wrote meaning for 2♦ and used imagination to define other bids.. 13-15 NT probably is possible? Or you can open 1♣ I doun't think there should be much problems, because comparig to Polish ♣ it is much more descriptive. 2♦-2♥(preference) 2♠=5♥4 ===> 2N=4♣+ 3♣=4♦+ 2N=6♥43♣=6♥+ onesuiter3♦+ 55m handsOnly general idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I think that tweaking one's system, perhaps fairly radically, for vulnerability and seat has at least theoretical merit. So I am not averse to one of your basic premises. However, that advantage only really applies to serious, practiced partnerships that are prepared to work on different sequences depending on seat and colours. My first impression is that I am happy, in principle, to play something with little in the way of weak 2 level bids, such as you suggest, in 4th seat (any colours), red vs white in any other seat and maybe red vs red in 2nd - that is if I was going to go down this route at all. Also, while I am sure that Flannery style 2♦ openers must work (I've never actually played them myself), I don't really get why 4-5 in the majors is such a difficult hand shape that it requires a special bid. So I don't really track with the motive for this particular scheme. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 2♦-2♥(preference) 2♠=5♥4 ===> 2N=4♣+ 3♣=4♦+ 2N=6♥43♣=6♥+ onesuiter3♦+ 55m handsOnly general idea. After a 2♥ response it seems ok indeed. But... - What if responder has a long ♠ suit himself?- What if responder has ♠ preference but opener doesn't have ♠?- What if responder is INV+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 2♦-2♥(preference) 2♠=5♥4 ===> 2N=4♣+ 3♣=4♦+ 2N=6♥43♣=6♥+ onesuiter3♦+ 55m handsOnly general idea. After a 2♥ response it seems ok indeed. But... - What if responder has a long ♠ suit himself?- What if responder has ♠ preference but opener doesn't have ♠?- What if responder is INV+? Answers are easy and obvious* Then he bids spades* Opener describes his hand * Explore slam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Some thought about 1♣ opener. 1♣-[1/2♠](nat) auctions seems cute for our side. If opponent passes over 1♣, it is less likely that opener has weak type with ♣+M. IMO auctions that has started with 1♣-[P] or [P]-1♣-P can't be difficult. 5♥+... this is hand type i definetly doun't want to start with 1♣-1♦1♥,1N, 2♣ possible Basically i think that partscore bidding should be priority here, because there is plenty of space if you want to explore games or slams. IMO 1N should be opened with hands that would accept game invitation after 1♣/♦ opening. Range should be 13-15 for 5332 and 4432 and 14-16 for 4333. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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