oojah Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ J8 ♥ Q4 ♦ AK8642 ♣ AQJ West North East South - - Pass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥ Dbl 3♦ Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥ Pass Pass Pass Here I am as south, we are not playing NFB.Comments on the bidding please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I would bid 2S instead of 3D. The hand has so much extra that I want to force to game. 4H over 3S was a good bid, you have already denied 3 hearts so with Qx support it is absolutely right to show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Agree with all han said here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 A few questions: What is East's double? Would redouble be support? If not, wouldn't 2S promise heart support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I didn't pay attention to the double by east. I think it should show 5 clubs and a doubleton spade. I think your comment about 2S showing support because rdbl is available for hands without support is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I was going to say that we bid 4♥ with hands like this but then realized that for us on this auction a negative free bid pretty much promises six hearts. We double with four or five hearts and then raise freely with three. So the answer depends on your negative free bid style. If this only shows five hearts then you need to do something else. I am not convinced that 3♦ shows your strength but again it might. However you are under more pressure to correct from 2♥ if this could be just a moderate five-card suit. We also play the style where if we have a strength showing redouble (or double) then a cue-bid promises support for partner's suit but usually is more distributional than this since without distribution we already have two simple raises (3♥ and 4♥) available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 So the answer depends on your negative free bid style. I believe the style in use here is no negative freebids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Inconceivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oojah Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Like it or lump it we were not playing negative free bids, opps double was "support".2♠ for us would show a good hand with hearts. If you are using it as forcing bid, good hand how would you show a hand with heart support?Redouble we havent discussed, could be best use here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oojah Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sa9hakt732dqt5c74&s=sj8hq4dak8642caqj]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥ Dbl 3♦ Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥ Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 So the answer depends on your negative free bid style. I believe the style in use here is no negative freebids. hmmm i must have misread that in the opening post - sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi, 3D is NF, at least usually, snce 2H is only RF.hence 3D is not enough, asking for a stoppervia 2S is most likely your only option, sinceit also creates a game forcing seq.. With kind regarsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Like it or lump it we were not playing negative free bids, opps double was "support".2♠ for us would show a good hand with hearts. If you are using it as forcing bid, good hand how would you show a hand with heart support?Redouble we havent discussed, could be best use here. Hi, playing 2S as fit is ok, but than you need also a bid, whichshowes add. strength, the natural bid is XX.The XX sould than suggest going for penalty, since you haveQx in hearts, you also dont mnd 2Hxx. The only downside is, that you have alos to XX, in case you are void in hearts. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oojah Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 playing 2S as fit is ok, but than you need also a bid, whichshowes add. strength, the natural bid is XX.The XX sould than suggest going for penalty, since you haveQx in hearts, you also dont mnd 2Hxx. The only downside is, that you have alos to XX, in case you are void in hearts. With kind regardsMarloweIf XX can be penalty or asking for another bid then my partner is under pressure to make the right choice. Lacking expert hand evaluation skills we try to define doubles and redoubles as one or the other although this is creating its own set of problems, bridge hands dont fit nicely into just one category. We have started to remove the contraints on our X's and expect take a few bottoms while we improve our hand evaluations skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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