Codo Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=s653hj97d9853ck83]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The bidding so far: (pass) pass (3♥) X(pass) Using your splendid judgement, your choice is: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I have a tool to show this hand and it's 3♠ :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Pass, but not because I think it'll be bloody. This should be off 1, maybe 2, and I don't really think we can make anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Gross. 3♠ I guess. I used to pass these but it hasn't worked well for me. Probably nothing I do will work well for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 3♠... yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Why would you think that 3♥ is going down? I bid 3♠ and hope that it is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Pass, but not because I think it'll be bloody. This should be off 1, maybe 2, and I don't really think we can make anything. Dude... why? I have to bid a pointed suit. I guess I'll bid 3♠ since I have to take fewer tricks in 4♠ than 5♦, so I'll be down less (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 3S, but not because "majors rule". Because only 9 tricks is the impossible goal instead of ten. I estimate that bidding leads to a smaller minus than passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 3NT. If I'm going for it, I'm going all the way. I think 3♠ is a B.S. chicken-$#!T bid. Well, maybe not that bad. Maybe the sane bid. But, I'm still bidding 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 It's time to rename Hamman's Rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think that on most of the hands where you can make 3NT, partner wouldn't let you play there. Now, that may also be true for 3S but at least partner won't expect values for that bid. I was going to post earlier that the good news is that the opponents likely won't double you after partner raises to 4S. That isn't necessarily true when partner raises to 6NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think that on most of the hands where you can make 3NT, partner wouldn't let you play there. Now, that may also be true for 3S but at least partner won't expect values for that bid. I was going to post earlier that the good news is that the opponents likely won't double you after partner raises to 4S. That isn't necessarily true when partner raises to 6NT. Agree with this. I bid 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think that on most of the hands where you can make 3NT, partner wouldn't let you play there. Now, that may also be true for 3S but at least partner won't expect values for that bid. I was going to post earlier that the good news is that the opponents likely won't double you after partner raises to 4S. That isn't necessarily true when partner raises to 6NT. I'm not so sure this is right. First, a 3NT bid after a double of 3♥ or 3♠ should often be taken for what it often may be -- an "oh heck" 3NT call. Second, even if partner expects more values, he often expects some of those values to be wasted, opposite his short hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 No I don't think 3NT is often a "oh heck" bid, at least for many of us. For example, if you have a very weak hand with a 5-card minor you will bid 4m. But if you have some values (and a stopper) then you will bid 3NT. Also, both 3S and 4m *deny* a good hand, 3NT does not. If you do often bid 3NT as an "oh heck" bid then you will lose on the hands where you do have a solid hand and partner has a monster, because he won't know you have anything more than a 4-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Pass, but not happy obviously. If partner has the nuts I think Pass will work very well. We would expect to beat 3♥X, sometimes by several tricks, and often when we don't make a thing. If the opponents are able to double us (perhaps if we bid 3♠ and partner raises to 4), again I think passing will be OK. Our damage in 3♥X is limited to -530 (with overtricks at just 100 each, cheap at the price) but on a bad day 4♠X could be more expensive. However, if we can escape undoubled, I think bidding will work a lot better than passing. Perhaps the opponents have 11 or so points each, and bidding 3♠ will buy it undoubled whereas passing still scores up -530. So by passing I am probably betting on partner having most of the missing HCP. Perhaps this is wrong, and because RHO is a passed hand we will escape undoubled relatively frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Ken you are clearly almost a good bridge player, if you would just not do stuff like bidding 3N on hands like this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 3NT is one of the worst bids I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I've had good luck bidding my longest suit on hands like this, so I'll bid 4♦. As far as I can tell, 3♠ will virtually never lead to a good contract. Even if partner really has the nuts like ♠AKxx ♥x ♦AKxx ♣AQJx you don't have real play for 4♠ with the quick tap of the long hand (even if everything breaks it will be hard to avoid losing two spades, a heart, and a diamond). Yet 5♦ has a bit of a chance (i.e. diamonds 3-2). The only merit of 3♠ is that you are somewhat less likely to be doubled in your awful contract... whereas bidding 4♦ might actually lead to making something. Of course, anything could work or backfire, but I think bidding 4♦ maximizes my chance of getting to a contract which can actually be made. I'll take this over "minimizing the damage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I've had good luck bidding my longest suit on hands like this, so I'll bid 4♦. As far as I can tell, 3♠ will virtually never lead to a good contract. Even if partner really has the nuts like ♠AKxx ♥x ♦AKxx ♣AQJx you don't have real play for 4♠ with the quick tap of the long hand (even if everything breaks it will be hard to avoid losing two spades, a heart, and a diamond). Yet 5♦ has a bit of a chance (i.e. diamonds 3-2). The only merit of 3♠ is that you are somewhat less likely to be doubled in your awful contract... whereas bidding 4♦ might actually lead to making something. Of course, anything could work or backfire, but I think bidding 4♦ maximizes my chance of getting to a contract which can actually be made. I'll take this over "minimizing the damage."what an antiquated concept for a relatively young person. "Partner asks me to bid, so I bid my suit." :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think that on most of the hands where you can make 3NT, partner wouldn't let you play there. Now, that may also be true for 3S but at least partner won't expect values for that bid. I was going to post earlier that the good news is that the opponents likely won't double you after partner raises to 4S. That isn't necessarily true when partner raises to 6NT. Agree with this. Also agree with Han's excellent point about how partner may bury you after 3N. Besides, its a partnership wrecker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 By the way, I had a very hard time deciding between 3S, 4D and pass. Adam made a good case for 4D, and 655321 is of course right that partner is likely to hold strong hand and rarely less than 15 HCP. If we bid the chance that we go plus is very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Pass. Lack of alternatives. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 at IMP I would only consider 3♠ and 4♦ (pass might be correct at MP , 3NT is sick ). Guess 3♠ is clear in spite of my longer diamonds as partner could still surprise me and rebid 3NT or 4♣(much harder on 4♦)) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 PassI doun't think that we can make something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I would pass, good problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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