precision hand rebid

[rbforster]

You hold a maximum precision opener and must choose a rebid over partner's 1♠ response playing a 2/1 style:

 

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1♥-1♠

?

 

1♥ was limited, 9-15[/hv]

[the hog]

No, I would not open 1C strong.

3H is out

2C is ridiculous

Don't mind 2H or 2S. Marginaly prefer 2S

Playing 2/1 we do have a 2NT convention to show this shape, but a bit stronger. Doesn't work too well in Precision because lowering the requirements means you get too high.

[mtvesuvius]

2♠ for me.

[hanp]

In a standard system I prefer 2H over 2S. I don't know what inferences the light opening system gives. For example, if we bid 2H, does partner know that we do not have a 9-count. (since we would have opened 2H?)

[rbforster]

In a standard system I prefer 2H over 2S. I don't know what inferences the light opening system gives. For example, if we bid 2H, does partner know that we do not have a 9-count. (since we would have opened 2H?)

No additional inferences from the 2H rebid, should you choose to make it. A 2H opening would be weaker than Rule of 18, typically 3-8(bad 9).

[whereagles]

Seems like a clear 3♥ to me... max hand, 6 cards.

 

Some play 2NT as "big H", which is precisely this kind of hand: 6322 max with scattered honors.

[rogerclee]

2NT, showing this hand.

[effervesce]

2NT for me too. Playing precision the 2NT rebid should show a good 6 carder, maximum hand, no-trumpyish with outside stoppers. 2♥ and 2♠ are gross underbids playing precision.

[Oof Arted]

:D

 

2NT here as well

 

:)

[glen]

... 2C is ridiculous ...

2c is either ridiculous or Gazzilli:

 

For notes in a 2/1 context:

http://stacyjacobs.com/system-notes/major-suit-openings/

 

Discussion of Gazzilli in a big club system has been on rec.games.bridge, including:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.b...034e0e17762a454

[helene_t]

2NT, showing this hand.

Yes.

[rbforster]

For those playing 2N was a 6 card major and a balanced maximum, do you have an agreement on whether or not this includes/denies 3 spades?

[helene_t]

It shows 3 spades.

[the hog]

For those playing 2N was a 6 card major and a balanced maximum, do you have an agreement on whether or not this includes/denies 3 spades?

As I stated, I play this in a 2/1 style system. It shows 6H and 3S or a balanced 18-20.

It is clearly the wrong bid on this hand as the h quality is not good enough.

Btw, I voted for 2S yesterday. On reflection, I think that is a mistake and that 2H is a better bid.

[awm]

It depends on your agreements.

 

I don't think it's playable to have a 2♥ rebid with a range of 8(+) to 15. So if your light opening bids include this full range (i.e. there is no negative inference from not opening a weak two) then you have to make a different call on this hand than you would on 6♥ and a 9-count. Even if you decide to upgrade this hand to 1♣, there is still an issue with the hand that's about a jack lighter.

 

Jumping to 3♥ on these hands is pretty risky unless you have agreed to play sound responses (which has its own downsides, and most strong club pairs prefer not to do this). One supposes you could play gazzilli, but this is kind of a weird thing to do in a big club system.

 

In my preferred methods this is a 2♦ rebid (showing a good spade raise, and can still get out in 2♥ if partner has 4♠-2♥ and a weak hand). With fewer spades (or if not playing that convention) I would rebid 2♥ since I have a negative inference that I open 2♥ with a single suited hand in the 4-10 range (so 1♥...2♥ shows 11-15 much like in standard bidding; the light opening hands are normally two-suiters).

[the hog]

It depends on your agreements.

 

I don't think it's playable to have a 2♥ rebid with a range of 8(+) to 15. So if your light opening bids include this full range (i.e. there is no negative inference from not opening a weak two) then you have to make a different call on this hand than you would on 6♥ and a 9-count. Even if you decide to upgrade this hand to 1♣, there is still an issue with the hand that's about a jack lighter.

 

Jumping to 3♥ on these hands is pretty risky unless you have agreed to play sound responses (which has its own downsides, and most strong club pairs prefer not to do this). One supposes you could play gazzilli, but this is kind of a weird thing to do in a big club system.

 

In my preferred methods this is a 2♦ rebid (showing a good spade raise, and can still get out in 2♥ if partner has 4♠-2♥ and a weak hand). With fewer spades (or if not playing that convention) I would rebid 2♥ since I have a negative inference that I open 2♥ with a single suited hand in the 4-10 range (so 1♥...2♥ shows 11-15 much like in standard bidding; the light opening hands are normally two-suiters).

Forgot about the wide range. I think it is too wide, and this hand is an example of why. Bidding 3H on a suit of this quality is likely to get you too high, but Adam is correct when he says 2H is an underbid in your methods.

[precpj]

Precision has been my fun system since the year i picked this game ; maybe this announcement helps with some credibility ;)

 

1. I would NOT open 1C with that hand

 

2. In Precision after 1D 1H or 1S open and partner responds with 1 anything including 1NT : unlike 2/1 or sayc the 2NT is an idle bid whcih i best used to describe this hand . a very speakable 6 cards heart in our case and top of the open range which is 14-15 along the same vein the 2nt in 1D 1X 2NT can be better used to show good 2 minors etc

 

Just in case, I can also look for help from a Star who helped CC Wei craft the Precision system. :)

 

Precpj ; PrecisionPJ