awm Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Playing MP in a fairly weak field; partner is an intermediate player (probably average for the field). You hold: ♠AKTxxx♥Kxx♦x♣Q9x For whatever reason, after opening 1♠ you decide to rebid 2♣ over partner's forcing 1NT. Now partner finds a 2♥ call. What's you next call? Does the form of scoring effect your decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I think 2C was very bad but it seems to have worked out well. I would bid 3H now, closer to 4H than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 2C is horrifying. I would bid 3H now, don't think it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 adam obviously sat in for the player who bid 2c after it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 This isn't the hand for 2♣. Not close! Qxxxxx, Axx, x, AKQ, and maybe. Agree that 3♥ looks obvious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 2♣ isn't THAT bad. Several ways to win, this being one. Partner could also have five+ clubs and a stiff or void in spades where 2♣ is a nice contract. I would'nt do it, but I'm not that offended by the call. As to partner's 2♥ call, I'll assume that you are not playing Bart or that might have been mentioned. So, I think 3♥ stands out. Change my hand to Kxx in clubs and Qxx in hearts, and I might want to bid 3♦ IF that will be taken as a stiff with support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 For all those raising to 3♥... suppose you get to 4♥ and it makes. Do you really expect your matchpoint score for +420 to be substantially better than your matchpoint score for +170? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 For all those raising to 3♥... suppose you get to 4♥ and it makes. Do you really expect your matchpoint score for +420 to be substantially better than your matchpoint score for +170? Yes I think +420 is a lot better than +170. I'd say 30 to 40% better. I suppose you are saying that we are already in a plus position by finding our 5-3 or 6-3 in hearts. However, this supposes that: - Other tables won't be bidding 2♥ over 1♠. If they don't play 2/1 this is certainly the case; - Other tables wouldn't have the option of an invitational 3♥ over 1♠; - Other tables won't bid 2N with five hearts and 10-11 count. - It also supposes that hearts is clearly a better spot than spades. I think its quite possible that spades plays equal to hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I think Phil's last case is most likely. Give partner something like Qx AQxxxx xxx Jx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I think 4♥ is pretty ridiculous. I think the hand is barely a 3♥ bid given the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 For all those raising to 3♥... suppose you get to 4♥ and it makes. Do you really expect your matchpoint score for +420 to be substantially better than your matchpoint score for +170? Yes. I think one of the biggest flaws most players have at matchpoints is presuming to know they are doing well/badly before there is strong enough evidence, and letting that convince them to do something abnormal and bad. Just play good bridge, you will get the most matchpoints that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 For all those raising to 3♥... suppose you get to 4♥ and it makes. Do you really expect your matchpoint score for +420 to be substantially better than your matchpoint score for +170? Yes I think +420 is a lot better than +170. I'd say 30 to 40% better. I suppose you are saying that we are already in a plus position by finding our 5-3 or 6-3 in hearts. However, this supposes that: - Other tables won't be bidding 2♥ over 1♠. If they don't play 2/1 this is certainly the case; - Other tables wouldn't have the option of an invitational 3♥ over 1♠; - Other tables won't bid 2N with five hearts and 10-11 count. - It also supposes that hearts is clearly a better spot than spades. I think its quite possible that spades plays equal to hearts. This is a sort of interesting post, as it seems to be supposing that partner has 10-11 with hearts. In that case it does seem clear to raise, as we could easily have a game and we might have gotten to that game without the weird 2♣ rebid, since the auction might start 1♠-1n-2♠-3♠ or 1♠-2♥ (forcing one round) at other tables. But when I learned 2/1, 2♥ in this auction was normally 5-9 or so with hearts. There's no reason to suppose partner would have bid 2♥ in standard with such a hand, or that partner has a rebid over 1♠-1n-2♠, or that partner's hand is good enough for an invitational jump (in fact all of those seem counter-indicated). It also means that there is a real chance of getting too high by bidding 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I don't understand these replies. Pass is obvious the way I play it. Partner has made the weakest sequence possible. OK, we have a probable 9 card fit, but maybe less than half the pack. If he had an invitational hand there are other bids. I reckon we are on to a good score as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 can I pull back my 3H call from the poll? I knee-jerked instead of pulling out the pass card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 3♥. If partner is really that weak, why aren't opponents bidding? Only reason I can think of is that partner has 4 diamonds, or else is on the top end of the 2♥ bid. I think our hands might fit together pretty well if partner does have some diamonds. x Axxxxx xxxx xx has play for 4 hearts, and that's not even best case scenerio (doubleton spade instead of club). Anyway, I'm (sorta) patterning out with 3 hearts, my hand is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I don't see why 2♥ promises six. What would he do with x Q109xx Kxxx Jxx or x Q109xx Kxxxx Jx? This illustrates one of the problems with playing 2/1 without sophisticated methods. It doesn't work well to have 2♥ range from one of those hands to xx AJxxxx Axx xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 can I pull back my 3H call from the poll? I knee-jerked instead of pulling out the pass card. We could swap, I voted pass but I am OK to trade with a 3♥ vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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