mtvesuvius Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=s9hjtxxxdjtxxcxxx&s=sakqxxxhqdaqcakqj]133|200|Scoring: MPHow do you bid this hand and where will you land here?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 simplest would be: 2♣-2♦3♠-4♠ (3♠ demands a cue)pass. But since the suit quality is probably not good enough and you might want to introduce clubs it is reasonable to bid 2♣-2♦2♠-3♥3♠-4♠(5♣-5♠)pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 2♣-2♥(double negative -- no King, not two queens)2♠(1RF)-3♥3NT-Pass Not sure that 3NT is better than 4♠; it's just where I end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Here's how my Precision partner and I bid it: 1♣*-----1♦**2♠#-----2NT@3♣^-----3♥$3NT END *- 16+ HCP**- 0-7 HCP#- Ace and Support Asking Bid in Spades@- No Aces, no spade support^- Anything else?$- A heart suit, no 4 card club support If partner had 10 x x x in clubs, we would get to 6♣ AS given, no problem getting to the best contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 We would probably get to 3NT or 4NT. The auction is ugly ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 2C - 2H (negative)2S - 2NT3C - 3NT4S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I would misscount my points and open 1♠. PArtner passing but opp to rescue with balancing double and we would end up defending 2♥ doubled :) more likely:2♣-2♦(relay);2♠(4+♠)-2NT(relay);4♣(6+♠-4♣)-4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 2♣ 2♦2♠ 2NT (second negative, I prefer this to 3♣)3♣ 3♥3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 1♣ - 1♦ polish style / negative or...2♦ - 3♣ any GF / 0-3 hcp, one 4/5 card major3♠ - 3NT spades, not interested in your hearts / no ♠ fit, something outside4♣ - 4♠ clubs / leave me alonepass hope this would be the auction with my father 1♣ - 1♦ polish style / negative or...2♦ - 2♠ any GF / double negative, no own suit3♠ - 3NT spades / no ♠ fit, something outside4♣ - 4♠ clubs / please leave me alone hope both players would be so disciplined and bid this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 1♠ (forcing) - 1NT 2NT (big 2-suiter) - 3♣ (asking)4♣ (6♠ 4♣ GF) - 4♠ (stop pls)Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 2♣ 2 [♠] (weak against spades, but GF opposite hearts)3♠ 4♠ (GF with spades, weakest possible rebid)pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 2♣ 2 [♠] (weak against spades, but GF opposite hearts)3♠ 4♠ (GF with spades, weakest possible rebid)pass Playing a standardish system, I think this should be the recommended approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 1♠ (forcing) - 1NT 2NT (big 2-suiter) - 3♣ (asking)4♣ (6♠ 4♣ GF) - 4♠ (stop pls)Pass How big is big? I would have thought that maybe a 27 count has something extra to show after this auction? Is 1NT some sort of negative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 2♣ - 2♥ (neg)4♠ - pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I just don't understand systems that never show clubs. If partner has club support then I virtually can't think of any hand, yarbroughs included, that is not a club slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The easiest way for me is.... 2♣ - 2♠4♠ Where 2♣ is forcing, 2♠ is instant second negative, showing no tricks for a spade contract (that includes no kings or aces and not two queens) but a ruffing trick for a heart contract. 4♠ ends the search. We are off the ♥A, and the ♦K. We might have slam if partner has four to six clubs, 3+ hearts, and two or fewer spades, but this would be very difficult to find. 3♠ would be forcing (partner denied already a trick for spades) and allow partner to show another suit if he cares. But I think here it is not necessary, and if you went that way, it would be... 2♣ = 2♠3♠ = 4♥4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I just don't understand systems that never show clubs. If partner has club support then I virtually can't think of any hand, yarbroughs included, that is not a club slam. You're right that ♣ support would be wonderful. Strong 2♣ is not very common here, so this may be a stupid question: is 2♣-2♥-2♠ forcing when 2♥ is negative? My thought would be "no", that's why I'd rather bid 4♠ immediately rather than having partner pass 2♠. If 2♠ is forcing, then obviously 4♠ is a lousy bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 I just don't understand systems that never show clubs. If partner has club support then I virtually can't think of any hand, yarbroughs included, that is not a club slam. You're right that ♣ support would be wonderful. Strong 2♣ is not very common here, so this may be a stupid question: is 2♣-2♥-2♠ forcing when 2♥ is negative? My thought would be "no", that's why I'd rather bid 4♠ immediately rather than having partner pass 2♠. If 2♠ is forcing, then obviously 4♠ is a lousy bid... 2♣-2♥(neg)-2♠ is 100% forcing. However, it seems like 99% of people who learn to play 2♥ as negative don't realize this until someone tells them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 2♣-2♥(neg)-2♠ is 100% forcing. However, it seems like 99% of people who learn to play 2♥ as negative don't realize this until someone tells them. You may play it this way but you do not need to. And when you play the (in Europe) popular approach that 2 ♣ is at least a semiforcing, you better play 2 ♠ as non forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I just don't understand systems that never show clubs. If partner has club support then I virtually can't think of any hand, yarbroughs included, that is not a club slam. Yes, a club fit can be difficult to find in the Phantom Club system. It would go like1♣*-1♥2♣*-2♥2♠-3♦? and now 4♣ would probably not be natural, but CoG. I think I would bid 4NT here and play there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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