Deevan Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Partner did not use some version of blackwood, so it looks like Pard is asking "anything more to tell?". Partner is suggesting that 5 level is safe. If partner wanted to find Key Cards he/she would have used some version of blackwood. The thing that 1H and 4H did not tell was the existence of the 5th heart (I don't think partner is asking for that feature,else this would not be a problem). Partner would perhaps like to know if we have a side K in the minors. So, I vote for 5H. Nothing more to tell. The one related point is as follows: May be a matter of style/agreements. Would you advance Cuebid the side minor King over 3S (if you had one)? and would you have bid serious 3NT over 3S with extras? P.S. After writing the above, I saw comments on page 2 that I did not see earlier. Ken has pointed out something very interesting that 4NT should show the 5th heart. I do not think 4NT by responder would be KKB, you would not know what to do with the information thus provided! My question is how many players at the top most level systemically use 4NT as showing extra length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 ...Partner is suggesting that 5 level is safe... I hope so! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 ...Partner is suggesting that 5 level is safe... I hope so! LOL No No No!!! Partner is suggesting that there is a better chance of improving our score than diminishing it. Or more precisely that the gain from investigating and getting to a making slam by venturing the five-level is greater than any loss we might occur at the five-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 ...Partner is suggesting that 5 level is safe... I hope so! LOL No No No!!! Partner is suggesting that there is a better chance of improving our score than diminishing it. Or more precisely that the gain from investigating and getting to a making slam by venturing the five-level is greater than any loss we might occur at the five-level. "Safe" does not mean "assured." It means what you said, roughly. We are just talking semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 ...Partner is suggesting that 5 level is safe... I hope so! LOL No No No!!! Partner is suggesting that there is a better chance of improving our score than diminishing it. Or more precisely that the gain from investigating and getting to a making slam by venturing the five-level is greater than any loss we might occur at the five-level. "Safe" does not mean "assured." It means what you said, roughly. We are just talking semantics. I think "safe" is completely the wrong word in context. When I take a safety play against a 4=1 break I don't expect that occasionally the 4=1 break will jump up and bite me. Similarly when I read "safe at the five-level" I expect this to be an absolute not a relative term. Maybe everyone understands the phrase but I suspect not. It is often a risk to go to the five-level. It is not about safety it is a judgement of whether the potential reward justifies the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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