pine cone Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 N----E----S-----W1H--1S--2D*----2S/----/----3C.. 2D is forcing one round, and now the problem is: 3C be forcing or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Imo it's forcing, otherwise the auction would start 1♥-1♠-Dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I think a good general rule is that a new suit by an unpassed responder is forcing. So in the given auction, 3♣ (a new suit) would be forcing. If responder had rebid 3♦ or 3♥ (both previously named suits) that would not be forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Seems to me it should be non-forcing. Why would anyone want to force with xx, x, AQxxxx, KJxx in this sequence? This is a hand I do not want partner to possibly pass a reopening double, either. I would reserve the reopening double for the stronger hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Forcing is clearly standard. Whether that is optimal on whatever hand you hold at a given time is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 We have a general rule in any competitive situation at the two or three level that a new suit (or repeat suit) at the lowest possible level is never forcing. However when we have made a 2/1 after partner opened the bidding that is a small target so forcing would be reasonable on this auction. We can't have this auction since 2♦ for us is not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I prefer to play new suits in competition to be just competitive. With a better hand you have to double, cue bid or jump. Maybe, though, this sequence is different because you didn't make a negative double of 1♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 for cing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Our side has 13+10HCP, or somewhere in that vicinity at the minimum. Trying to suddenly stop at 3C makes no sense. It is forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Our side has 13+10HCP, or somewhere in that vicinity at the minimum. Trying to suddenly stop at 3C makes no sense. It is forcing. 13 is a heavy minimum for an opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Imo it's forcing, otherwise the auction would start 1♥-1♠-Dbl Agree with Frederick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Forcing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Opener will normally be too scared to pass this, so it's probably forcing in practice. Playing good-bad 2NT, it's certainly forcing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Playing good-bad 2NT, it's certainly forcing smile.gif That applies to opener only, I think. Besides, you would have Dbled otherwise, as Free pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Sorry, wrong choice of words. I meant Lebensohl 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Sorry, wrong choice of words. I meant Lebensohl 2NT. Lol, I think it happens in almost every issue of IMP that some panel member calls this convention "Lebensohl" and the moderator says the correct name is G/B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Sorry, wrong choice of words. I meant Lebensohl 2NT. Lebensohl?This is new to me that Lebensohl could be applied in the OP auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I meant Lebenshol in the sense Robson/Segal use it: 2NT as a tool to separate competitive hands from genuinely good ones. Actually, they go as far as calling a good-bad 2NT "Lebensohl" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 3♣ is definitely forcing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I'm playing transfer lebensohl here, fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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