mtvesuvius Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 All NV at IMPs you pick up this wonderful monster: --------------Q9xxxAKQTxxxx Partner opens 1♥ 11-15 and RHO doubles, what's your plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I have no idea as to a scientific way to bid this, so I guess I'd try & walk the dog, bidding 2 clubs even if it is non-forcing (with that many spades, someone's keeping the auction open), and then keep on bidding clubs until I've bought the contract, hopefully doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Depends a lot on what's forcing... I'd just start with bidding ♣ at a low level, and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)P - (P) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 What I play over TO Doubles in one partnership helps: 1. Suit/Lead 2. 2NT = three-card LIM+ raise 3. JS#1 (1♥-X-2♠ or 1♠-X-3♣) = minors, competitive 4. JS#2 (1♥-X-3♣ or 1♠-X-3♦) = GOOD 4-card limit raise, or 16+ raise (will make noise later) 5. JS#3 (1♥-X-3♦ or 1♠-X-3♥) = LIMIX raise 6. Jump Raise = BAD 4-card limit raise (9-10 HCP) 7. Transfer Raise = normal 3-4 support (slightly better -- includes Mixed Raise) 8. Simple Raise = nuisance (3-4 cards, weak) 9. 4♦ = 4-card super raise (13-15), balanced 10. 3NT = club fit-jump ("Leaping Suit/Lead") 11. 4♣ = diamond fit-jump ("Leaping Suit/Lead") Because the opening was 1♥, I can bid 2♠, planning to force later with a wild club bid. Harder problem after 1♠ opening, because 3♣ would not be forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 If this forum is on sayc and 2/1 why is 1H limited to 15 HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)P - (P) - ? 3♦ is this a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)P - (P) - ? 3♦ is this a problem? yeah, 3 diamonds is a problem. I don't even want to offer partner a chance to play diamonds unless he can introduce the suit on his own, because he might be tempted to take preferences to that suit no matter how many times I bid clubs. Stop and look at the suits. Which one is trump? I'm going to bid a modest 3 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 CsGibson is certainly right about 3D now. But, how comfortable was responder with the initial 2C bid, which could have been made with XX - XXXX QJTXXXX, or some such hand ---and played right there? Cappeletti, a long time ago, wrote an article and a Pamplet on "Cappeletti over 1M X". It involves a whole structure of transfer responses, and various major raises to show contructive raises, preemptive raises, bad single suiters, and invitational one- and two-suiters. It also allows for mini-splinter jump shifts. So, using his concept, this hand would have started with 1N to show clubs. In that context, 3D now is not quite so distasteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 @CSGibson: If you bid 3♠ now, do you really think opener will bid anything else than 3NT? Opps are quiet all of a sudden, so partner will probably have ♠s stopped. Obviously it would be great if partner could introduce ♦ himself, but I think the chances of this are quite small. If we bid 3♦, then partner will support with a good ♦ suit. If he doesn't have a minor fit, or a poor ♦ suit, he'll probably just bid 3NT. @aguahombre: I prefer to play 2♣ forcing (actually I prefer transfers, but that's not standard), so I would not bid 2♣ on the hand you posted. But, like I mentioned before, it depends on your agreements on what's forcing or not. Bidding 3♦ now must be forcing (unless 2♣ was NF, in which case I wouldn't start with 2♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I'd overcall 5C. Doubling is ridiculous lol. If you want to be scientific start with 2N then bid clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 This is a super freak... we have 22-26 HCP between us..so lets think... Opps clearly have at least 9♠ between them and perhaps more and if LHO has 6 or 7 of them he's likely going to bid 4♠. I think you'll have to bid 5♣ over 4♠ RHO may have 4♣ along with his double and in that case it may not be easy to pick up the ♣J in a ♣ contract. Also in ♣ slam you may have 2♦ losers. 6♣ is too pushy for me... 5♣ it is and honestly I don't mind being X'd but don't think walking the dog here with continued ♣ bids is correct as I may be passed shy of game or the opps may bid and have freakish enough hands to make 5♠ or PD may decide to bid 5♥ if I slow play. Bid what you think you can make..and that is 5♣ which is also what you have to bid over opp 4♠ anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 @CSGibson: If you bid 3♠ now, do you really think opener will bid anything else than 3NT? If partner bids 3N, then I know we have spade wastage along with our heart wastage, so I'll play it there, in our most likely game contract. After all, 5 clubs isn't anywhere near a sure make; RHO made a takeout double of hearts, so only likely has 4 spades, and he probably doesn't have more than 5 clubs - let's be generous and give him 3. Leave him with 2 hearts and 4 diamonds, and now 5 clubs isn't a walk in the park, is it? On the other hand, what if partner cannot bid 3N? Then 6 clubs becomes a better possibility - partner doesn't have spade wastage, and probably has the Ace or king of diamonds to go along with the rest of his hand - hopefully the ace so I can play down to the Q, but I'll make due if I have to. So let's call 3 spades a discovery bid. If partner can bid 3N, we'll play it there and likely make the contract. If partner can't bid 3N, then I get really excited and try 6 clubs on for size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I'd overcall 5C. Doubling is ridiculous lol. If you want to be scientific start with 2N then bid clubs. I think you didn't see the auction right. Partner opens a ♥, and RHO doubles. I would generally play 5 clubs as exclusion in this auction, so fast arrival is out for me; don't want any disasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 A straight 5♣ for me. Hope pard doesn't take this as voidwood or what not... lol. You can't get scientific with 2 voids, although you COULD try a forcing diamond bid to see if pard raises that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Our Auction: 1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)P - (P) - 3♦ - (P)3NT - (P) - 4♠ - (P)5♥ - (P) - 6♣ - All Pass 4♠ was exclusion, 5♥ was 2 Aces Partner held: AT43AQT75A842 K♠ lead, the play was a little interesting also, but relatively simple. Win in dummy, and lead a diamond to the Q. RHO had the king, so all was well, however if LHO shows up with the king, then you can draw 1 round of trump, and try to ruff the last ♦ in dummy. This requires 3-3♦ or K♦ onside or 4-2♦ where the person with 2 also has 1 trump... I guess there may have been squeeze possibilities, but I think this line is a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 1♥ - (X) - 2♣ - (2♠)P - (P) - ? Partner is so likelly to have spades that I would settle for just 5 clubs after this start (3NT at MP is also reasonable!) Starting with 2 clubs is neccesary, we want partner to be able to bid diamonds naturally himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I guess there may have been squeeze possibilities. No. You played it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I would probably just bid 6♣ the first time, 5 seems too pessimistic opposite an opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I'd overcall 5C. Doubling is ridiculous lol. If you want to be scientific start with 2N then bid clubs.LOL (I've wanted to do that for a long time :( ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 The bidding and opening lead make it virtually certain that [D]K is on the right, so I'd just draw trumps. Leading a diamond away from the ace before drawing trumps loses to a 4252 shape on your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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