Hanoi5 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 They're vulnerable, you're not, you hold: ♠JT876♥KQ6♦542♣K4 If it goes: Pa Pa 1♦ ??? And:1♦ Pa 1♥ ??? Do you overcall 1♠? It's a teams tourney. Great opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Easy 1♠. Not that I believe in the dogma, but should partner choose to lead K from Kx in spades (Edit: vs NT of course), I'd welcome it. The ♠8 is a great card, without it 1♠ would be more dubious. Being an overbidder, I'd still do it though. Edit: Hadn't seen second sequence. Even more obvious, as partner is less limited, and I am on lead vs heart-contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) 1♠. This was a problem in 1982. It isn't now. I feel less strongly about the 2nd auction. We've lost our preemptive value. Edited May 21, 2009 by Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Easy pass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 I would pass in the first auction but bid 1♠ in the second auction (it's too important to be able to bid 2♠ over 2♦/2♥). Edit, sorry, what I really mean is that in the second auction there is larger chance of a spade fit, so we have more incentive to overcall, but maybe the effect is smaller than I originally thought, in which case I would also pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 NV? please bid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 I would pass in the first auctionClee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 I would pass in the first auctionClee?I don't really want a spade lead.I only mildly want partner to raise to 2♠.I don't want partner to bid 3♠.I really don't want partner to bid 4♠. I don't understand why 1♠ is so obvious, the upside seems very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'd overcall both. On the first, I somewhat sympathize with Roger, and I consider it close. But, I think I'll be on lead enough to make the preemption worthwhile. I could be talked out of it. But, I'd overcall 2♠ on both. White on red, against great opponents. I'm tossing them an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'll overcall both, but I could be convinced to pass in the 2nd auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'm an aggressive 1 level overcaller so both of these seem like an easy 1S. Come in at a low level, we could buy it in 2S, partner raising it to 3 could be a devastating effect. Don't think I can be convinced to pass on any of them, especially at this vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 1S definitely on the first. 1S also on the second, but more tentatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I used to overcall very aggressively on the first auction but I have been much more conservative recently when partner is a passed hand. Mostly I think I am getting better results from this approach. In the second auction partner might have a decent hand so I am more inclined to bid. However I have a bad suit and only 9 HCP. So I am not convinced that is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Much depends on the opponents I think. I'm not sxure why Roger doesn't want partner to bid 4S on the first auction. Partner didn't open but is allowed to hold 5 spades. We are white against red, I don't see the problem. Same with 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I would pass in the first auctionClee?I don't really want a spade lead.I only mildly want partner to raise to 2♠.I don't want partner to bid 3♠.I really don't want partner to bid 4♠. I don't understand why 1♠ is so obvious, the upside seems very small. I think there is more benefit of overcalling in the first auction than in the second auction. Partner is more likely to have a semi-useful hand with 5 spades. Bidding 1♠ is more preemptive. Given my hand, getting to 2♠ is more important over 2D than over 2H. In any case, we are white vs red, I am really happy with any raise by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 On the first one I'd bid 2♠. Obviously, partner should know that I might have this for 2♠. On the second, where partner might still have a good hand, I'd bid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Can someone explain to me the principle of why they think taking action over the response is more attractive than bidding directly over the opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Can someone explain to me the principle of why they think taking action over the response is more attractive than bidding directly over the opener? On the second auction the diamond holding is not nearly as bad and the heart holding is arguably better. Anyway I guess I overcall on both, it just seems to cause good things even when I can't think of what those things will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Can someone explain to me the principle of why they think taking action over the response is more attractive than bidding directly over the opener? When the opponents each bid, your bids are more often purely competitive. When only one opponent has bid so far, your likelihood of wanting to initiate a constructive game-seeking auction is higher. Plus, you are more likely to have game when our strongest hand is behind theirs, and hence you are more concerned about constructive values when bidding behind their stronger hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 1♠ for me both times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 If this were matchpoints, we'd have to bid 1♠ on both. At teams, I'd probably bid with the 1st hand. On the 2nd hand, my feeling says the gains are too small to risk have pard leading from his ♠Kx :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Do we play power doubles to top all other overcalls? Yes then 2S on both. No, 1S unlimited up, now can I slow this auction down if partner announces big S-fit, or should I even want to? Does 2S announce defined weak jump overcall, or middling 1-suiter not needing space? Then 2S. Tell me what agreements to call with. Or can I freely spanner in their auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Clear 1♠ overcalls for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I pass in the first case since i dont want partner to lead a S instead of a H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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