mtvesuvius Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 NV vs V, partner deals and you hold: A65AKQ8AJ5398 Pass - (1♣) - X - (Pass)1♠ - (Pass) - ? Sorry if this is wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 2♣ is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 2♣ is pretty obvious. If partner then disappoints with 2♦/♥/♠, I chicken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Funny, but I thought 1NT would be normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Funny, but I thought 1NT would be normal. Normally I like stoppers in the suits the opponents are bidding to offer no trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Funny, but I thought 1NT would be normal. Normally I like stoppers in the suits the opponents are bidding to offer no trumps. Me too. Especially when pard's stopper is lying bare on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Even in the places where 1 spade is more limited then in the US, this is a wtp 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 2C wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Bidding 1NT risks playing in 1NT with a 4-4 red-suit fit. With a bad hand and 4-4 in spades and a red suit, partner will pass 1NT but show the second suit over 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 1NT is absolutely normal. If pard is worried of stoppers, he can bid 2♣ himself. 2♣ shows a quite stronger hand in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Thought this hand is far from being a wtp hand. The 3 options I would consoider are pass, 1NT and 2♠. 2♣ would promise a rebid in my system. I think it is a close call between Pass and 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Bidding 1NT risks playing in 1NT with a 4-4 red-suit fit. Pard will usually bid 1♥ with a 44 majors. So, if he has hearts, he'll probably have 5 spades and won't pass 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Pard will usually bid 1♥ with a 44 majors. I know some people do this, but I don't understand why. With 4-4 in the majors and a hand that plans to bid again in competition, it's obviously best to bid 1♠ first, so that you can bid 2♥ on the next round and offer partner a choice without forcing to the three level opposite 3-4 in the majors. With a hand that's too weak to plan to compete again, it's still right to bid 1♠ first, because it leaves you prepared for the possibility that partner will cue bid - again you can bid your second suit without risking raising the level. This situation is completely different from responding to an opening bid. When you bid 1♥ in response to 1m, partner will freely bid 1♠ on a four-card suit, so the fit isn't lost. After (1♣) dbl (pass) 1♥, the takeout doubler will almost never bid 1♠ on a four-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Pard will usually bid 1♥ with a 44 majors. I know some people do this, but I don't understand why. With 4-4 in the majors and a hand that plans to bid again in competition, it's obviously best to bid 1♠ first, so that you can bid 2♥ on the next round and offer partner a choice without forcing to the three level opposite 3-4 in the majors. With a hand that's too weak to plan to compete again, it's still right to bid 1♠ first, because it leaves you prepared for the possibility that partner will cue bid - again you can bid your second suit without risking raising the level. This situation is completely different from responding to an opening bid. When you bid 1♥ in response to 1m, partner will freely bid 1♠ on a four-card suit, so the fit isn't lost. After (1♣) dbl (pass) 1♥, the takeout doubler will almost never bid 1♠ on a four-card suit. People were tought to bid "up the line" with a 4-4 so that's what they do :) The case for bidding spades first is obviously good and your arguments are a nice way to see why B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Agree 100% with gnasher above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Thanks for the responses... Partner held KTxx Txx Kxx Txx, the Q♦ is of course onside, and the J♥ is doubleton... How do you get to 4♥ or 3NT, or are you content playing in a partscore? (if so, where?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 are you content playing in a partscore? Yes. 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 are you content playing in a partscore? Yes. 2♠. Yes. 1NT. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Thanks for the responses... Partner held KTxx Txx Kxx Txx, the Q♦ is of course onside, and the J♥ is doubleton... How do you get to 4♥ or 3NT, or are you content playing in a partscore? (if so, where?) Just to verify, my hand (1S bidder) was KT74 T53 K82 432. My partner took quite a view on the hand leading to quite an awkward auction 4H and 3NT are very lucky makes while 4S went 2 off in the other room.http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands...name=manudude03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 what's the proper rebid with the hand with the two kings? personally I'd like not to hold the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 what's the proper rebid with the hand with the two kings? personally I'd like not to hold the hand. After the doubler bids 2♣, I'd bid 3♣. Getting to game on these two hands isn't great, but you can't always bid accurately after the opponents open the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 what's the proper rebid with the hand with the two kings? personally I'd like not to hold the hand. I dunno. 3♣ is close in general values, I would probably try that although it could easily bring us too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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