How it is better to open?

[deep]

(pass) ? How it is better to open? 1clubs or 1nt

I open 1nt 15 -17 but maeby this hand can open 1nt? or better 1clubs

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&s=skj10hkj10dkj7cq1065]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

[helene_t]

Too weak for 1NT.

 

1♣ it is. That doesn't deny a balanced hand :P

[whereagles]

I would bid 1NT anyway. The superb texture of the hand more than compensates for the 1 hcp shortage.

 

In fact, this is closer to raise a natural invite of 2NT to 3 than to open 1♣ :P

[Codo]

I like the honours but I hate 3334, so 1 Club.

[helene_t]

Kaplan/Ruben's hand evaluator gives this one 12.7 so it's much closer to pass than to 1NT.

 

I would have expected something like 13.2, I think 12.7 is somewhat pessimistic.

[deep]

Kaplan/Ruben's hand evaluator gives this one 12.7 so it's much closer to pass than to 1NT.

 

I would have expected something like 13.2, I think 12.7 is somewhat pessimistic.

In what it consists Kaplan/Ruben' s evaluator? Where I can find the rule? This is very interesting. Meanwhile thanks :P

[OleBerg]

1♣ seems very clear to me.

 

One or both of the major-queens off-side or in partners hand, makes those nice looking intermidiates worth a lot less than they look like.

 

Furthermore tha hand is aceless. Not a big minus in my book, but definately not a plus.

[helene_t]

Kaplan/Rubin's Hand Evaluator is

http://www.jeffgoldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi

[P_Marlowe]

1C.

 

The Texture may be brilliant, but will only ensure, that the

overvalued jacks, are not overvalued anymore, this is 14

count, nothing more nothing less.

 

And if you play 15-17, this is not a 1NT opening.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[bhindi]

I would bid 1NT anyway. The superb texture of the hand more than compensates for the 1 hcp shortage.

 

In fact, this is closer to raise a natural invite of 2NT to 3 than to open 1♣ :P

A non-expert has come on this forum in order to try and improve his game.

Assuming this is sarcasm, isn't there a better place for it than here? I don't see how a beginner/intermediate can read through it. He may go on to think that jacks, no aces, 4333s are actually good?

[NickRW]

Close to upgrading to 1NT, but not quite there for me. Yeah, the 10s are nice, but no aces and 4333 shape - the 4 carder a minor rather than a major as well - it is just too much in the way of negative features opposing the positive ones.

 

Maybe if I was in a partnership who upgrade a lot 14s - well perhaps then I would.

 

Nick

[whereagles]

I would bid 1NT anyway. The superb texture of the hand more than compensates for the 1 hcp shortage.

 

In fact, this is closer to raise a natural invite of 2NT to 3 than to open 1♣ :P

A non-expert has come on this forum in order to try and improve his game.

Assuming this is sarcasm, isn't there a better place for it than here? I don't see how a beginner/intermediate can read through it. He may go on to think that jacks, no aces, 4333s are actually good?

When I said "superb texture" I meant in terms of intermediate cards and solid tenaces to receive the lead. If you don't agree, well, too bad for you.

 

Also, what's this with people worrying how BI will read advice? To me that starts sounds more and more like a sorrow excuse to make a point that an actual desire to help.

[mtvesuvius]

1♣. 3334 and no aces are downgrades, the nice spots are upgrades... I would have evaluated this at around 13.4 or so.

[gwnn]

umm. It's an aceless 3334 with 14 hcp. 1NT is 15-17 hcp.

[hanp]

Nuno is way off. This is not a matter of opinion, opening 1NT with this is extremely bad.

[jdonn]

You have 14 with no five card suits, no aces, no sequences. Opening 1NT is wrong.

[jonottawa]

I will endplay opponents at trick 1 and open 1NT even though the hand isn't quite worth it valuewise. Rightsiding>bean counting.

 

I'm indifferent between the actual hand and this one: kj2 / kj2 / kj7 / qj65

[skjaeran]

You need something very special to upgrade an aceless 4333 14-count to 1NT. This is far from it. 1♣

[peachy]

This is nowhere even close to 15-17 1NT. One can use whatever evaluation techiques outside the raw HCP, and it remains a balanced minimum opening.

[benlessard]

Ive noticed that when you have an aceless borderline hand partner 8-9-10 counts will often have 2 Aces. So these are the hands i visualize whne deciding if i upgrade or not.

 

Often my rule for these hand is facing 2 A and a 5 card suit do i want to be in 3Nt. Here the answer is yes. But i really hate 4333 and for slam purpose our hand will be very disapointing. So ill open 1nt only facing a passed hand.

[Phil]

I will endplay opponents at trick 1 and open 1NT even though the hand isn't quite worth it valuewise. Rightsiding>bean counting.

 

I'm indifferent between the actual hand and this one: kj2 / kj2 / kj7 / qj65

Right Jon, they'll be endplayed for one trick. And maybe not even then.

 

1N is a serious overbid. The 10's are nice, but aceless 4333 sucks.

[655321]

1♣.

 

I like to upgrade 14 counts, but agree this hand is really not close to 1NT.

[andy_h]

The opponent's may be endplayed on trick 1, but I'm sure at some point we'll be endplayed from our KJ's. Like other's have said, this is a pretty horrible 4333 14 count. Easy 1C.

[xcurt]

Ive noticed that when you have an aceless borderline hand partner 8-9-10 counts will often have 2 Aces. So these are the hands i visualize whne deciding if i upgrade or not.

 

Often my rule for these hand is facing 2 A and a 5 card suit do i want to be in 3Nt. Here the answer is yes. But i really hate 4333 and for slam purpose our hand will be very disapointing. So ill open 1nt only facing a passed hand.

This is just bad math. A priori any other action from the rest of the table partner's expected number of aces is 1.33. But we will always reach game after we open 1♣ when he has 3 or 4 aces, his expected number of aces on hands where our decision matters is less. So it's a poor argument for opening 1NT.

[whereagles]

Why is everybody being so doctrinary on a hand that is obviously borderline???

 

As if there's only one way to look at things...