Ant590 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=st53ha2dat984ca63]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] First seat, both red, IMPs. Would you open this a 12-14NT? (there is a bet riding on this so please respond!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 This looks like an easy bet for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaceyJ Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yes, easily. Im suprised anyone bet it wasn't. Jc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I have a bridge to sell, if the person who bet 'no' is interested in buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 1NT WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yes, ofc I would. I feel sorry for whoever is on the wrong side of this bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I agree - wouldn't think twice about it. And my vul 1NT range starts at a good 12 :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What's the problem? Is someone using Vienna points and consider it too strong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 If you don't open 1NT with this, don't play weak notrumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 That looks like a hand from the EBU sims on Wednesday IIRC. If so I did open it 1NT - and - if it isn't - well I'll open 1NT anyhow. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I think some of the posters have missed the point. Presumably the question is whether this is too strong. By some people's rules, it's worth 12 HCP + 3 x 0.5 for the aces + 1 for the good diamond suit = 14.5 Even that doesn't make it a 15-count, so it's still a weak notrump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Actually, OP just said "there is a bet riding on this", he didn't say what the bet was. Perhaps the bet is whether or not he can construct a poll that will get a unanimous response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 If you don't open 1NT with this, don't play weak notrumps. Agree totally. Surprised anyone would want to lose their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Yes, ofc I would. I don't feel sorry for whoever is on the wrong side of this bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I will answer seriously instead of sarcastically since there is a bet riding on this, even though sarcasm is my immediate response. If you don't open this a 12-14 notrump when that's what you are playing, you should practice counting points a bit more if you're brand new to bridge, or quit bridge forever if you aren't brand new. Sorry got sarcastic at the end, couldn't help it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Sure, you are bal., happen to hold 12-14 HCP, why openanything else than 1NT? Please keep in mind, that you will need to find a 2nd bid, ifyou open something else. Asssuming the auction goes 1D - 1H than you have to bid 2D, which promises a 6 carder, how doyou feel in this case, if partner takes you serious? With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Did not consider a 1NT rebid, selling the hand as 15-16 / 15-17,but just a comment: Although Aces are undervalued, the HCP countis pretty good, if it comes to evaluating bal. hand, and upgrading by3HCP is a pretty extreme position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Very normal 1NT. The bid shows shape and strength, not a desire to actually play the hand in NT, although that is usually the consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Clear 1NT, and a maximum too. It's worth 13.9 on the K&R Hand Evaluator. http://www.jeffgoldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.c...x+Ax+A1098x+Axx If you don't open 1NT, you have no descriptive rebid. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I think Txxx Ax AT9xx Ax is also a 1NT opener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I am curious :Can the OP tell us what whoever thought this is not a WKNT opening, considered to be the problem with 1NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I'm not entirely sure what my friend thought the problem was with the NT opening -- it certainly wasn't of the ilk "you only have three tricks" which is a common beginner conception with this type of hand. I'm happy to report that I won the bet. It's surprising though that you can question your own 'WTP' ideas when someone is particularly adamant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 OK. 6X3.33=20-12=8=+2 12+2=14. Fifth diamond=15. Diamond 109=+.25 So, arguably 15 to 15.25. That said, ot seems really dangerous to adjust up by as much as or more than 25% of the total HCP value, until you know something. So, I'd call this a 12-14, but I'm willing to change my position during the sequence and get aggressive later, such as perhaps making a three-card super-accept of a transfer or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I will open this hand 1NT.But it is possible to open 1♦ if you play openers rebid shows 12-16.Then a 2♣ relay helps to show point range and support for partner's major.After a response of 2♣ opener's rebid of 2♦ shows the given hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I find it curious that this hand evaluates better than KJT KJT KJT QTxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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