BBO cheaters?

[jonottawa]

I think BBO requires like 10 examples or something like that before they'll take action. If I suspected someone was cheating, I'd bring up their last month, find 10 examples, and then unleash the hounds. But I have more free time on my hands than most.

[pirate22]

in the good old days E bridge now defunct had real problems "Cheaters" cash tourneys were scrapped

 

#recently on bbo i kept freezing up example during a bidding sequence with my pard ---my pard seemed very slow in sequence-and it got round to me and i bid 4n/t for aces,and after opps pass my pard again seemed slow-so i punched in test nothing came up in chat-so punched in test again---again nothing so i assumed i was frozen and exited the site to regain entry-this took 5 mins and on my return,resumed the game with my pard 3/4 hands later

 

I then recieved a e-mail from my pard stateing that the opps suggested that test was a codified sigtnal (Cheating),is there another way to check if one is frozen@

[Old York]

I then recieved a e-mail from my pard stateing that the opps suggested that test was a codified sigtnal (Cheating),is there another way to check if one is frozen@

This is just pure paranoia, ignore it

It is laughable and very sad

 

but, I would like to know why sometimes we get red dots, why sometimes freeze and sometimes total crash, especially when internet connection is perfect

 

Tony

[NickRW]

but, I would like to know why sometimes we get red dots, why sometimes freeze and sometimes total crash, especially when internet connection is perfect

Your connection to the internet may be perfect, but the route from your ISP to BBO's data centre isn't necessarily in the same shape.

 

Nick

[Feegle]

If I suspect I'm 'frozen' I look at the number of players who are on BBO. This number (showing how many people are logged on to BBO) is on the right of my screen (Windows version). It constantly changes as players arrive/leave the site.

If that number freezes I know I'm in trouble.

[Benoit35]

When you land in an impossible contract, just type "Sorry partner, I missorted your hand."

 

That ought to quell all the suspicions. :(

[pirate22]

More fuel to the fire----especially the husband and wife that play in the same Bedroom:):) Naughty naughty-What a wonderfull way to play bridge,how you both can concentrate defies belief:)

 

I am pirate 22 and because of passwords,my wife is pirate 44,my wife is a beginner,but now, intermediate.through watching me play-i refuse to teach her,but she has picked up things----------occasionally she is in the bedroom on her laptop, im in my office, and we play,but never call out,or ask any questions,for her to progress. We have played live club bridge, in the early days,and thought i would go mad with her bidding or defence.But the penny dropped.

There is no object in cheating,where does it get one-it's a mind game,and a pleasure Thank you BBO for this facilty

 

regards to all

[Oof Arted]

If I suspect I'm 'frozen' I look at the number of players who are on BBO. This number (showing how many people are logged on to BBO) is on the right of my screen (Windows version). It constantly changes as players arrive/leave the site.

If that number freezes I know I'm in trouble.

:)

 

good tip feegle

 

;)

[paulg]

I then recieved a e-mail from my pard stateing that the opps suggested that test was a codified sigtnal (Cheating),is there another way to check if one is frozen@

This is just pure paranoia, ignore it

It is laughable and very sad

 

but, I would like to know why sometimes we get red dots, why sometimes freeze and sometimes total crash, especially when internet connection is perfect

 

Tony

Your internet connection is never perfect, it is just in a usable state of failure.

[Oof Arted]

;)

 

The main problem with 'Cheats' is there always will be those whose grasp of the game is that they cannot win with any certainty so they will cheat UNTIL caught out.

 

I know of 2 very very ethical couples who play online from the same address However they woud never ever consider cheating and both pairs are good enough to hold their own in f2f competitions

 

;)

[hotShot]

If we assume that 1 in 100 players is a cheat, than each of the honest 99 players will see the remaining 99 player as suspects although only 1 is a cheat and 98 are innocent.

Since the honest player have to play with suspects (since they suspect anyone) they are biased and will interpret anything unusual as cheating.

This leads to the impression that cheating is a far bigger problem than it actually is.

[TimG]

My problem is not so much to avoid the cheating that does go on, but how to declare and prove that you are honest despite playing with the ability to cheat.

You will not be able to prove that you are honest. I think it is really that simple.

 

I found the $2 remark funny.

[kaydea]

I have played at tables where I was sure opps were cheating, it is almost impossible to prove though. Furthermore cheaters don't have to be playing from the same location, I was in a game not so long ago where one op asked the other "is your webcam turned on?" I was flabberghasted and left the table. In the end its about integrity, I can't see any satisfaction at all in winning by cheating, its akin to filling in the sqares in a crossword puzzle with all the answers in front of you, it requires no intelligence at all.

[Oof Arted]

I have played at tables where I was sure opps were cheating, it is almost impossible to prove though. Furthermore cheaters don't have to be playing from the same location, I was in a game not so long ago where one op asked the other "is your webcam turned on?" I was flabberghasted and left the table. In the end its about integrity, I can't see any satisfaction at all in winning by cheating, its akin to filling in the sqares in a crossword puzzle with all the answers in front of you,

 

 

        it requires no intelligence at all.

:)

 

I think you have hit on the main reason they cheat

 

:)

[waubrey]

It seems to me that by cheating what you really do is cheat yourself because if you win you can't have any sense of accomplishment.

[matmat]

It seems to me that by cheating what you really do is cheat yourself because if you win you can't have any sense of accomplishment.

for some gaming the system is its own reward.

[JoAnneM]

In the case where one opp asked the other if their webcam was on - they did this on table chat? I would just about guarantee they don't cheat. They probably just like to chat between hands.

[kaydea]

I should have been more on the ball that day and asked why they were using the webcam, maybe they were using msn and had mistakenly used the chat bar. Too late now, I can't even remember their names.

[hanp]

removed by myself

[kaydea]

Just one further note, Bridge has a a history of cheaters long before Internet Bridge, world class players who used various signals to alert their partners about what they were holding and what to lead. There are lots of articles on the Internet about these players and their methods that make very interesting reading. One can almost understand the motive at the level of International Tournaments, especiallly if money is involved, however, I still believe it comes down to personal integrity and in a lovely paradox those who win by cheating are really losers.

[vuroth]

I know the prospect of playing from the same IP as my wife worried me greatly when I first started on BBO.

 

The suspicions are accusations are somewhat inevitable, especially on an anonymous forum such as the internet.

 

I look forward to the day that I'm skilled enough to be accused of cheating. :)

[TimG]

I'm generally one who likes to avoid any appearance of impropriety. But, I don't really understand the concern about possible cheating in the main bridge club. If my wife were inclined to play, I would have no qualms about playing from the same house.

 

I don't have any worries about opponents who might be playing from the same ISP, building or even room. If my opponents are cheating, I suspect, and it affects my enjoyment of the game, I will just find a new game.

 

A few months ago I got a message from my partner while we were playing: "we play 1430, right?" I answered. I don't have a problem with my opponents saying such things at the table and I didn't have a problem with my partner asking me. I would have thought differently about things if this had happened during a ACBL game because the expectation there is different.

 

From time to time I chat about non-bridge matters with partner or an opponent while we are playing at the same table. Sometimes it seems polite to do this privately and an external chat mechanism (such as gmail or AIM) is often easier. As long as it isn't slowing down the game I don't have any problem with opponents doing the same.

 

I really don't see what the fuss is about.

[keylime]

For me, if I fire up two machines on the same IP, and log onto BBO, it's for system testing purposes. I find it a lot easier for me to actually program some hands, see how the flow works, and then adjust as needed. That way I can tell Larry what I've found out, and speed up things.

 

If anything I think I'd play worse with two PC's side by side, than with Larry across the proverbial table....

[treytor2]

When I signed up my pard, i went to his house with my laptop and signed in to his internet. We sat at the same table, opposite each other so we were unable to see each others screen. As he had questions before the game I showed him how to chat and toggle and such. It was very helpful being there playing together. I will admit a few times as I figured out a finesse or such that I would out loud mouth got you now succer, and pard would laugh. But it was already known from points or bidding, and was funny for us both. We are trying to be competitive to compete in sectionals and regionals where there is no cheating allowed, technically, so why would I want to start off by cheating? It helps afterwards for a few quick words like don't lead that way, or should have bid this way or that and is much quicker than typing it out? I think more should play together that way and get talking how to improve after the hand instead of wasting time typing it. Seeing positives on scores helps me to feel good, or to see bad score to see how to improve it. I have no need to cheat, for I only cheat myself. I agree if you suspect it, cannot hurt to report it. If enough do then all logs and private messsages can be reviewed for possible cheats. Thanks BBO for a great site, and all your hosts have been very helpful, especially the 2 times I reported abuse they said it was taken care of. I am happy, and think the best of all my opos unless shown different. If I kibitzed and saw the hand and joined I tell them. Period! Don't worry be happy! LOL Trey http://forums.bridgebase.com/style_images/1/icon9.gif